🏆 Neo Monsters tier list (see first post) 🏆

[Myst]

@Killerdog

She’s still too situational with mediocre passive benefit while on the battlefield. I’d say she’s only viable in top teams

I just top 12 with unicera this season.

[PurpleHeart]

@Killerdog

stun converter isn’t giving her enough turns to rescue the design.

Yeah this is why im saying B at most

When stun was acctuly used by more than 3 she was incredibly punishing not so much anymore

[Lacktwo]

@Killerdog

She’s still too situational with mediocre passive benefit while on the battlefield. I’d say she’s only viable in top teams if you have a way to kill/remove her when she doesn’t meet her counters. Otherwise, she’s too easily left by the opponent as dead weight.

And so are the monsters in S- list.
Do you think Berry, Gabrielle, Plumelisk, Wilhelmina aren’t situational or don’t require team for support? It’s a huge disadvantage to not being able to see the next monster. (Unless you have memorized the teams for the fight).
Not to mention her moves actually cover good variety of stuff.(Including removing those AP users and DR users). She has really good combos with Sepheris as well, it would potentially wreck any team.

[Myst]

@Lacktwo

Gabrielle,

She is broken. Don’t compare with unicera.

[Killerdog]

@Lacktwo

And so are the monsters in S- list.
Do you think Berry, Gabrielle, Plumelisk, Wilhelmina aren’t situational or don’t require team for support?

I think you managed to pick some of the most generically useful mythics here! These work well slapped into almost any team.

@Lacktwo

She has really good combos with Sepheris as well, it would potentially wreck any team.

Ah yes, Sepheris that classic S+. There’s nothing like having two dead weight monsters on the battlefield and doubling up on purify plus anti-protector moves. Hurricane might be fun when they then don’t know what order their monsters are in but they don’t need to worry because the rest of the game is a 4v2 for them.

[Lacktwo]

@Killerdog

Sepheris that classic S+. There’s nothing like having two dead weight monsters on the battlefield and doubling up on purify plus anti-protector moves. Hurricane might be fun when they then don’t know what order their monsters are in but they don’t need to worry because the rest of the game is a 4v2 for them.

what’s stopping me from removing one of dw using another mons? Heck the problem would worsen if a token lock setup is being used. By that time there is very good chance the game would have strategically ended for you.

@Killerdog

I think you managed to pick some of the most generically useful mythics here! These work well slapped into almost any team.

And most of these are very much killable as well, Unicera isn’t. Heck even if you disagree with tiering, how would D tier be justified for such a versatile mons? Considering AP/DR mons are pretty common shouldn’t she have better rating here?
EDIT:
Her support moves are pretty powerful and can disrupt both sleep and poison something which is staple for lot of teams. In addition to disabling DR/AP teams she also has 2 significant advantage, one she doesn’t let opponent see your next mons and 2 if you run something to disrupt, she doesn’t let opponent check their next mons. These in my opinion are really powerful stuff she provides and could easily let you gain huge advantage from start of the game if done right…

[Unown]

@Killerdog

Sepheris that classic S+

I would definitely move up sepheris from E. been running it a lot lately and the times I used hurricane it really ended the battle on the spot a lot of the time. Now I understand it can easily become a deadweight, but on top of just being a hurricane monster i use it for sleep protection as well. There were times where i did not use hurricane at all and with the recent natural selection buff she shined well in general. Definitely not a E tier

[Killerdog]

@Unown

been running it a lot lately and the times I used hurricane it really ended the battle on the spot a lot of the time

Could you give a couple of examples of what it did in those battles?

[Mr.X]

It stunned, purify, hurricane and killed 1 to 2 monsters.

Against weak teams it could win you the game as it plays for end game but at top level its bad, as mythic spam does not require real synergy or team building

[GaleKnees]

“killed 1 to 2 monsters” that’s something even taffynix could do if in a good possition.

[IonXia]

Why is “mythic spam does not require real synergy or team building” still a thing? Just because they have more HP? Not every Mythic is generally strong, most are situational or require specific team comps to do well just like Legendaries and Super Epics. Even with full/majority Mythic team comps, you’re playing around a strategy/win condition like any other team. Whether it is strong or not is a different story.

It’s like saying “legendary spam does not require real synergy or team building” which is obviously disingenuous.

[LemonSqueezy]

@Unown

I would definitely move up sepheris from E

lol I used it all last season and it’s awesome. There are some players who quit immediately when they see it out of protest lol.

[NMEduck]

I’d say the best measurement of that is how badly a team gets affected by sepheris. Usually I’m running something with a specific order that easily gets messed up by hurricane unless I get lucky but sometimes that’s not the case. There was one season in particular where hurricane barely hurt my team unless cent or harleking was placed in a bad spot. That one probably had the least teambuilding and synergy compared to my other teams and it still got top 1.

@Killerdog I challenge you to find one sepheris user that thinks it’s E tier

[Killerdog]

I think the thing that’s been holding Sepheris back most is the lack of a good damage move when on the battlefield. Insomnia + purify is great, champion entrance is great but beyond that you’re looking at a situational move that is RNG (hurricane) and not much else.

Natural selection getting a TU reduction from 160 → 120 makes it waaay more viable. Timestrike and assassinate are still lacklustre, but since they’re now more of a fail case that’s looking a lot better.

Sepheris still depends on coming up against teams that have enough legendaries in them, but I don’t think that’s a huge ask and it would be harsh to put it super low in the tier list just because it struggles against mythic spam.

Simply put: yeah it’s not E tier any more since the buff. I haven’t looked at the list yet but probably something like C tier. I think there are better options for sleep protection and plenty of mythics which should be run over it, which keeps it fairly low, but it’s a fine monster to run.

[Mr.X]

Its no secret that mythic spam is a no brainer, due to their power a bad player can end up on top of the pvp list purely to mythic spam power. Since these mythic spammers intend to just spam mythics in random order anyway changing the order makes no difference.

We have seen countless players at the top of the pvp list that just intend to copy other players team or spam mythics sleep and poison next to each other and make very bad choices and manage to win due to mythics power

I know its very hard for mythic spammers to accept the fact that the majority of their wins is not from team building or ingame skills but by obtaining something very powerful that others don’t have access to.

[IonXia]

All I’m saying is that there is some level of team building involved with teams built with and/or out of Mythics if that person is playing competitively. Raw stats can only take you so far.

[DMGInterference]

@NMEduck

I’d say the best measurement of that is how badly a team gets affected by sepheris

this is unironically a statistical method to estimate variable importance in black-box algorythms lmao

If you want to test whether or not a variable X is useful in explaining a variable Y in a certain model, you can do it by taking the same model, with the twist that each value of X is assigned to a random value of Y, scrambling them à la Sepheris.
If the model’s performance drops, this means that there’s an actual association between X and Y, otherwise the association is purely casual/spurious.

Every top player should run the Sepheris Test on their team as a quality test

[lebowquade]

They know, they just don’t care. Or they feel the time/money theyve spent has “earned” them their wins.

Over the years I’ve accumulated ~70 legends, still not great at team building. Don’t care.

[Coltraz]

@Mr.X

Its no secret that mythic spam is a no brainer, due to their power a bad player can end up on top of the pvp list purely to mythic spam power.

Absolutely love ramming 13 awakened myths into a team. You should try it sometimes

@IonXia was my role model back in the day MYTHIC SPAMMERS RISE UP

[NMEduck]

The aspects of what makes good teambuilding are pretty much the same whether you’re using all legendaries, only a few mythics, or a ton of mythics. It’s just that it’s generally easier to get away with bad teambuilding the more mythics you have because of the better stats, stronger movesets, etc. Things like running poison + sleep, unbalanced passive and a aggro mons, or back to back stunners will make any team much worse but it does help to be able to brute force your way through a lot of teams anyway.

Regardless, we need mythic spammers to exist or else the game dies lol.