@Killerdog Can Kattmander ohko Flower with HP boost without Cat Zone?
Yes
Average damage will be roughly 4750 and Mortilys has 4528HP when boosted.
So there is a chance it will not, but the chance is maybe 1/4. If we assume it’s 50:50 who goes first then it is 3/8 chance for Kattmmander to kill the Mortilys before it can shriek.
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Thanks to Flower, link Holy Fls can now destroy Nova AoE, which was previously unthinkable.
I’ve been playing with this guy a lot. I need Potions to run the team I have properly, but something I’m finding really frustrating is that High speed monsters counter it.
I don’t mean high speed monsters that go first in the turn order, I mean high speed monsters that go after Mortilys and when you use Hellish shriek, they get a turn before your low speed monsters do.
If a 99% speed monster goes before it. Fine. If a low speed monster messes it up, fine, but when you get Hellish shriek to work and high speed monsters still go first, it’s not fulfilling its purpose.
It also makes the window of the speed you need to aim for really narrow, because now my slow speed FL is TOO slow 
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R u perhaps… asking for a buff?
What speed & bonus monsters are you using? When I ran the numbers I didn’t think this would be a problem
No, he just says what is obvious - this legendary is a double edge sword. If it works then your bulky slow monsters can go off. If it flops then you are in a very bad position
@Coltraz Please don’t swear. I edited your post
It can happen but not that often. Mostly when you outspeed Unicera Nikki and Nikki still gets a turn before you do 
Even 20% with +9 gets a turn in 83s so when you push back a 99%+9 that has a turn in 30s it should be +7s behind your monster.
So I can only imagine it’s either RNG happening or the Mortilys user has put their entrance speed lower than it needs to be
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So this counters Nyx which counters the speedy mythic FL which counters this guy. I like the 3 way (unless for some reason Nyx player is using 0+ pot entrance speed with a really slow monster like strawbaba) counter matchup
Have you ever heard of the very sneaky Shiny Joco at +0 speed?
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Hmm I guess to counter Mortilys you would do that or do you just have that slow so he does his betray thing earlier 
I’m currently using +3 bonus on it. But I’m using monsters where the highest speed is 22.
It’s happened with a Megalo just now and a few others too.
Not a buff perhaps but just to have it reworked. If they add another 10 TU to hellish shriek and then increased the TU of it, it would probably solve the problem.
What I’m saying is not obvious.
I’m sooo awakening Nyx this anniversary lol I really hope it gets featured later after the next shrine so I can pity her in peace (need 3 copies)
So a buff with a slight rework to make it not abusable. Good by me I think this guy should be more prominant that speed FL couldn’t just ignore Mortilys FLs.
This is pretty particular scenario but it shows clearly that it’s just not enough.
I know the Shriek is blocked anyway but you see the numbers now.
Yeah Basically this guy is designed to promote low speed monsters. When hellish shriek works, your low speed monsters should go first lol.
If something is faster than it or the opponent has slow monsters too, that’s fine.