You do know that Delugazar is nearly 4 years old right? Power creep’s nothing new, it’s been happening since practically the very beginning; they gotta keep interest up regardless of how it may affect the meta. It’s the sad reality of games like this.
Yeah, new ones are really op leaving ones like flarevern as nostalgia. NOT SAYING HES BAD, but hes substituted by a lot of new leggies
Thank you so much for the stats, in terms of legends they seem to be introducing them in a fairly steady rate but you forgot to factor in MYTHICS which is were I think the problem is, powerful mythics are being added to frequently in my view. I don’t have the exact stats but if you were to put all the monsters(legends n mythics) into the same tier list legends would be most obviously be overpowered, which is a problem. it’s incredibly hard to get mythics even the one’s on the rare egg (Even some P2p struggle to keep up ). Bastia is an example of the power creep we experience it came and quite literally made monsters which had really powerful passives like malwing become overlooked. A monster that can on it’s own completely change the mata is okay but when you realse more(like kanna a monsters that restricts secret skills) to frequently it’s completely destroying older monsters which mostly were buffed by being given secret skills. Not to even mention Lemon and Cynthia.
Note I am not asking for the likes of bastia to be nerfed but they should be released less frequently.
I do.
But not at this rate mythics are the reason really , I know they should be powerful but, it’s getting out of hand.
It’s becoming absolutely incredibly harder to defeat players with a lot of mythic users which really shows the power creep, they can acquire strong mythics and at a faster rate. My collection become increasingly weaker vs theirs which is fine value for money I guess. I have quite playing the game. Because think about this year I only got one new legend skele n 2 second form mythics that are weak really.
I excluded mythics because in August 2019 there weren’t many at all and the positions of the older mythics have fluctuated a lot so any conclusions drawn from it would be invalid.
I think it’s too easy to focus on monsters like Bastia, Cynthia, Lemon or Leira and call it power creep but you have to remember that each year there are always going to be some highlights.
I’ll give some raw data on them. Please bear in mind this doesn’t include Nikki, Nightingale or the upcoming changes I’m making (both new ones are mid-level power so shouldn’t be a big deal). This is just to have some rough numbers and anyway the tier list is mostly my own opinion, not concrete data.
PvP mythic tiers, by year of release
S+
2021 = 0/7
2020 = 2/26
2019 = 3/27
S
2021 = 0/7
2020 = 3/26
2019 = 2/27
S-
2021 = 1/7
2020 = 6/26
2019 = 2/27
A
2021 = 1/7
2020 = 3/26
2019 = 2/27
B
2021 = 1/7
2020 = 0/26
2019 = 6/27
C
2021 = 0/7
2020 = 2/26
2019 = 5/27
D
2021 = 0/7
2020 = 4/26
2019 = 3/27
E
2021 = 2/7
2020 = 2/26
2019 = 3/27
F
2021 = 2/7
2020 = 4/26
2019 = 1/27
So I hope that’s clear enough to see how 2021 mythics have been bad so far and the average of 2020 mythics versus 2019 mythics is a bit higher but they’re both quite evenly distributed. 2020 has 14/26 in tiers A-S+ while 2019 has a lot of B and C tier mythics so it’s got 15/27 in tiers B-S+.
Basically, once again, power creep is evident but not at an alarming rate.
As for whether these mythics invalidate legendaries… I don’t think so. The top tiers are monsters which definitely outclass legendaries but that’s understandable. I think it’s the same thing I was saying earlier (for legendaries) about there now being a larger number of mythics in those top tiers (i.e. one that are stronger than legendaries). Running a bunch of them will increase the power level of the team considerably and in the past you couldn’t because there weren’t enough top mythics to get combinations that work together coherently.
So ultimately it’s not that there’s large scale power creep at a fast rate or new monsters coming in way stronger than past ones. We’re simply steadily getting new mythics and the increasing number of them is naturally allowing for some stronger teams as their power can be utilised more easily.
Thank you so much for the insight @Killerdog (as always ) I am now convinced and agree with statement I quoted above, I was basing my argument on speculation but now that I see these stats I can see I was wrong. Also I didn’t know you had such stats , next time I’ll ask you for them before opening threads.
Lol, why?
This is your problem guys you want to “catch up”, is simple: to catch up you need to have monsters able to do that (mythics).
The solution is making mythics available to everyone, not a buff thread for old monsters to catch up…
Well I had to produce those stats to back up my claims so you won’t see me doing that again regularly. However, I mentally track all this stuff naturally as I make the tier list and all the other stuff I do around newly relaxing monsters. I do enough with them that I spot the patterns. I try to share some of the insights where I can. Sometimes it probably looks like I’m sharing more of an opinion than an insight though (the two do mix a bit)
Myths are not cheap
Do you mean monetarily or strategically