I understand what you’re saying. Perhaps a solution would be to increase or decrease the speed of the lamp.
F2p Mr x made f tier vixian s tier. Even his some idea maybe genuine but I am afraid that van sith would be broken!
No he called the post buff vixian an f tier unusable mythic when she was S tier at the time too. He sometimes underestimates or overestimates stuff especially if they are non-shadow or shadow respectively.
I personally agree with lamp buff idea tho. It doesn’t make sense that gets a turn 1 second before the lamp which makes her passive irrelevant (everything else is great) and if she stun the lamp and not kill something with it, that lamp will sacrifice itself when it gets a turn with poison bomb. I think the devs actually did not intend this to be the case.
Stop with your absolute nonsense and conspiracies. While some designs are not perfect, most things are absolutely intentional. They gave Soulantern that speed on purpose. We can all see exactly how it lines up with the Gaslight move in the test battle they gave us.
Stop making buff posts about mythics you’ve awakened only days after their release. Worst of all is you calling everyone who disagrees delusional and that they don’t know anything. This is not the way to treat others on the forum.
This is an official warning. Do not continue to act this way on the forum.
This mythic has some design problems, but all were clearly visible from reading the moveset and trying it in the test battle. Any experienced player has no excuse. If they decided to awaken this mythic they did so knowing the monster works as advertised.
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It’s not very clear from Van Sith’s SS description, but it forces any Soulantern to attack with stunstrike as long as she’s on the battlefield (as an enemy, of course).
Let me tell u all peeps , in 8 years I haven’t seen KD this angry ! Very rare and he is right to be so
I avoided writing my opinion on this monster on its release because I didn’t want to be a big downer and I was just about to put it in the tier list anyway, where I ranked it F tier.
There are multiple issues with the design:
- It’s entirely dependent on meeting an enemy stun absorber/counter or having a teammate to stun an enemy.
- When it does get to gaslight, the enemy team still has 100s+ to kill her. If they do, the Soulantern can actually give decent stun control.
Hence, to counteract these problems you need to do things like having stun counter(s) in your team and/or stun. She needs building around reasonably heavily simply to work and when she does work it’s not anything special.
In practice she probably only works well if you’re already in control of the battle. If you’re trading back and forth or losing then she will not help you much at all.
Rather than doing anything crazy with buffs, I think the one thing to do is to help with her highly situational design. Here’s the buff I suggest, if one is deemed necessary by the Devs:
- Add the effect of Van Sith’s SS onto the Soulantern itself (it is forced to attack Van Sith with stunstrike if a Van Sith exists). Make Van Sith’s SS become a 100TU(?) move that puts a Soulantern next in line of the enemy team, and it cannot be used if the enemy team has a Soulantern already.
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The waifu made me far more angry. I think that was the thing that wound me up most 
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This is highly misdirectional and non aligning with your review. Every move has to encounter something. The point is every team has some sort of stun absorber ( chain of stun counters is very unlikely to face unless the opponent is a heavy spender ), hence she will definitely be killing most of the times .
F is very harsh way to judge her . Take the stealth and shield setup she enables ???
I do really like the phantom union she supports. Unfortunately there is very little synergy between the design of phantom monsters. For example, there are almost none that can synergise with Van Sith for stun, poison or stealth. The only thing common between them is sleep. I’ve had this issue when trying to build around Spectrophin.
As for the F tier, to comment on that I’d basically repeat what I just wrote in my last post. Key things are the paragraph starting " in practice" and the two bullet point issues.
I agree you’re likely to find a stun absorber in most teams but in many scenarios you may need to kill something else, the Soulantern will backfire or things like a protector is in the way… and if you don’t meet one you’d be better off having a 15-cost Rockoid in your team.
I completely agree with your view point .But Is selkette an F ? Agreed . Is ankara an F ? Possibly . Is sivanna an F? Maybe . Van imo is definitely miles ahead of true F tier mythics . I still don’t understand what’s the fuss around lantern . Xanacorn is completely useless outside frontline ( just saying cos he also in a way similar to van in what he does ) .
Lantern as someone pointed out is a token, that itself can be game changing . It’s a choice to make as to whether to stun the absorber or convert it .
The dolphin that summons spooky give turns bird is clunky as well.
Are we under evaluating a balanced mythic cos we all are disappointed that she can’t be as useful as Gabrielle or evie perhaps ? 
But I do agree , her skill TU must be increased or decreased as opposed to increasing lantern’s speed . Even so , this decision should come after careful examination as it can lead to potential chain kills easily . Mr.X has definitely imagined this already.
I dont think you played with her to understand why she is F tier.
1- the speed of monsters dont add up, this is extremely bad, its like albino 200 seconds convert to a protector level.
2- beyond speed if she dies and lets say you dont have stun counter in the team the lamps become the most frightening monster on the field. ( stun absorber and a stunner) i also want to remind you that the lamps can stun for indefinitely they do not grant stun immunity so they take out your monster out of the game for 150 seconds and they can repeat it for 130 seconds
Since when giving an opponent a top notch stun absorber was a thing, its suppose to be like a punish and deadweight
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Fair enough. My observations came from all the van I hav faced so far . Maybe I cannot say anything conclusively without owning her or facing her enough .
More van users can jump into the discussion constructively I guess.
I think the biggest reason I didn’t even bother to hatch for her, was the need for stunabsorbers to be present at all for her to do anything meaningful
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@Dev_VKC Van Sith in Auto mode uses Echo Stun on stun absorbers with stun immunity active and also on stun converters giving them turns 
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Cake day, booooooi
My take on Van Sith was from looking at the design, trying her in the test battle and then trying her in PvE as a friend monster. All three of those things aligned perfectly.
I have since met her in PvP three times. Once she had a target to gaslight, I killed her before she got a turn. Another time she didn’t have a target, so I left her alone for a little while as she did nothing at all.
The third time she met two of my stun absorbers on the battlefield, she got a turn but couldn’t gaslight either one because I could easily kill her before she got another turn and they had no other stun protection so the Soulantern was actually more dangerous than my stun absorbers. They decided to use echo stun to try and get some control of the battle. It stunned them both for 100s, didn’t line up timecrush double then they used echo stun a couple more times to pass time and try to line up gaslight. In the meantime I killed a bigger threat of theirs then decided to kill Van Sith to avoid any risk.
She was incredibly disappointing and only helped those people lose the battles. If those players had been winning and in control it might have been a different story, but monsters only playing well when you’re winning is a poor place to be.
From what I could understand, the player you faced 3rd time is incredibly disappointing .
Also , the summary of your encounters is that she died before she could do anything . That’s pretty much the case for most monsters , isn’t it !
Hence, noone has seen her in action enough to judge her properly . Berry dies before she can do anything too though. I’m curious what’s her ranking in the tier list
I briefly checked the tier list for PvP.
Candy , isoldelle is s-
Berry in b
Lime is 1 tier higher than van
Van is in F…
We might have big differences in these tiers … I dono if I wanna drag this more 