Everyone did this too with leira and nobody is complaining.
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The problem is that sometimes you guys only listen to certain players complaints.
Nightingale is very problematic as well as Asmodia and Leira. Their fast entrances with pretty much insta kills without conditions need to be revaluated. Same old poison end game is still being used and mainly because of Asmodia’s entrance.
The popularity of a monster doesn’t necessarily increase the perception of whether a monster is OP, it only means that when a handful of players are abusing certain monsters, they are not complaining about them, when they start facing other people abusing them, they realise their advantage is gone and come here to point out the obvious. Many players now gave up trying to fight against this situation. There are several examples of monsters that need adjusting but the ‘smaller’ players complaints fall into deaf ears.
It’s not a new thing and this became obvious when Charybdia was nerfed. Compared to many other monsters released after her that were way more problematic and were never nerfed only proves that it’s not about the monster, it’s about who and how many people are using it.
The question you should be asking is why are you guys waiting for the same 5, 6 players to complain about a monster to then consider changing it?
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I don’t understand why people even talk about stunning as if it’s powerful.I don’t understand why people even talk about stunning as if it actually has a big impact. Only the first one has an impact, the following ones are useless and I wonder what Who in 2024 would use multiple stunning monsters one after the other?
I’m thinking cos bastia stops leira ? Never used either to know ! And taunts n protects were blocking her or something?
I mean afcourse people relised that what she did was dum. But its not a problem when 10 players have her and you never see her.
Its the same effect as eirlys has. She has some truly despicable combos. But unless the number of players using them increse from 1. To 1000 in a day nobody will really care. As meeting it is such a rare occurrence anyways.
So yes a monster being percived as overpowered is linked to how many people own her. As thats when you see a major meta shift which as stated can be very problematic. Nightingale is doubly so as she has 0 effective counters.
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She is fine for 11 months now people complain because more people got her is ridiculous, and why they complain is because wavetail no longer counter her, no one ever played him that way
She counters herself with 180tu for one kill, on the other-hand sakura counters her and man-eater, slayer breaker, etc
I hope mecha moji gets a buff and become something similar to her so more people would have access to monsters with comeback potential, or setup entrances
Salvation has no purpose now after purifying rain drop you might want to consider changing it to give turn
Nightingale should of never been able to target allies to begin with just like her release. Changing Euthanasia to target only enemies with kills is a good change to consider/have since she was originally like that and would make sense. It also has focus so that’s a plus.
I awakened her on her release and used her solely as an instant purifying mon to save me from sleep/poison match ups. Never complained about her being too weak but the buffs were nice to have.
Still think she isn’t as strong as other mythics/mons since her TU are so high. She’ll save you from other oppressive match ups and maybe enable a few of your own but nothing you can’t build against. Not like getting rid of 1 mon would lose you the match instantly. There’s a bunch of mons that help facilitate comebacks from a losing match and she’s just one of them.
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This thread is hilarious. I remember back when killer dog was doing the tier list and was comparing night to leira. I told him night is way better and should be higher on the tier list and killer dog and other all said ThT not true. Glad to see ppl starting to realize her strength. I see nothing wrong with her. She necessarily to me since she one of the few monsters that can come in and help u regain control. She honestly good because of the instant purify. The euthanasia move is just a bonus
Ive been away from game for a quite a while,
Came back this year & i did biweekly missions,
This is 3-4 months ago
I had a mission where there were 2 nightangle coming from enemy team (awakened)
And at that time i was like super confused, why does she have a roaring entrance & can one shot anything with protect being there,
Later found out she can do it twice with those green/brown bears entrance trigger which she gets her turn again & gets to kill again,
Realising that’s some broken BS which is always prominent in neo
Ill say it again, ethunasia should have a enemy kill condition to kill that enemy,
Yes there are some counters present but in a tight match, where 1 move can change the tide of the game,
She coming in & just killing any enemy is flat out broken
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KBN also exists, don’t let it enter at all. Problem solved.
I warned you about Wavetail months ago and he was playable for years but now he gets nerfed. Did he just become oppressive now? 
The fact that your lesson that “gatekeep op monsters behind a paywall” rather than “balance the monsters” is very disturbing and will kill the game eventually.
Laira doesnt ignore Bastia’s passive tho but that is not true. I have been ringing the alarm bells that this season allowed the most op entrance monsters to just own the game for free.
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Again, as I said before, things only become a problem when specific players complain about monsters/strategies. It’s like nobody else understands the game so their views are worthless. These insta turn, insta kill monsters are even worse than ultra fast FL monsters with break moves.
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Thats pve my friend, in pvp its a completely different story, in pvp the devs have recently increased the cost of mythics so you have to be selective in what you use, unlike pve where you might run into her 4times its normal
furthermore she is not strong by herself she is a enabler for entrances, she has one main job take out a single target and be out of the game for 180tu, also keep in mind that stun has been nerfed its not what it was once. You can no longer stack stun and many monsters only stun for 80tu
Also keep in mind that the game now has soo many stun counters, absorbers etc, that made what was once a win condition no longer exists
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Don’t be cheap and awaken Haneri.
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I have noticed all of the above you mentioned,
But you & i both know that 180tu despite being high tu , it will not matter against someone who knows team building & a single mistake or nightingale killing a critical target for win,
Ive faced your dusci teams when you also returned in neo from your long hiatus,
I remember those losses i had where every move was meant to be precise.
There is balance in every matchup & Nightingale disrupts that without much cost,
She just enters & kills 1 target without any repercussions.
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Previously Angelion and cybereon
Now Nightingale and Cybereon
I have said giving cheap nightnaglae to many from anniversary banner showed how oppressive she is almost every top team picked her despite being restricted 1 , the entrance is broken nothing can stop it euthanasia has no condition
Not quite what happened…
After her buff in January I moved her from E tier to B tier and you said she should be A or higher, to which I basically said I think she’s great but trying to find the perfect tier for her I ended up settling on B but am looking for more feedback to decide the exact position. After feedback I moved her to A tier and in the next update I do I’ll be moving her to S- tier. I didn’t re-read the thread but I’m pretty sure there were multiple voices both for and against Nightingale being very strong.
After doing the tier list for many years I think I can say with more certainty than anyone else that this is 100% correct. I can easily drop an underused monster to D-F tier and not a single person will comment on it, even if that monster should clearly be B tier or higher.
There are too many monsters and the game is too complex for people to properly evaluate all monsters so their opinions are very heavily based on what they see lots of. A few monsters get the opposite treatment, where not seeing them much at all leads to them being seen as overpowered. You also get some monsters, like Nyx, that are soul crushing when they counter you so people think they’re a lot better than they are.
Nightingale has the case of there being one very worrying play pattern: you can place her before stun and almost guarantee the stun will work. This is something I also overlooked a bit, but has become very well known in the community and it’s why people see her as a problem. Being well known and also a popular way to play her means it’s going to get talked about much more than other powerful things you can be doing.
Personally, I often ignore these meta complaints because they are overblown. However, there are definitely some which are genuinely some of the best things you can be doing in PvP. For example, I’ve long disregarded the Asmodia end-game as “one of many good end-games” but roaring entrance + 70TU bow out is basically better than alternatives. It matches up well against most things, making it reliably very good, and sets up other poison monsters nicely. I think Nightingale → stun is one of those too. So my recommendation would be to keep an eye on stuff like that and consider things like bow out becoming 100TU or Nightingale being unable to euthanise stun counters/absorbers.
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