Lol
he explained on why onyxia got nerfed but i never understood why it had to be nerfed to just being a normal random knocback instead of swift
Lol stop abusing it, it’s not because you are faster that you necessarily win lol, I have already used an orca, glaci, Struge Nova in fl and the enemy team had no weakness so on my side the only one who could attack was Struge. It’s not speed that wins lol
Yes he is strong after this buff but not everyone uses chrono in fl and as people use SS in the first turn guys like angelion risk having a lot of fun at the entrance
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Any team you create will have bad match-ups. What matters is how common the bad match-ups are. If they’re common in the current meta you either adapt to be less hard countered by it or switch to a different team that fits better with the meta. This is always the case.
I find that some teams I build always have a limit of X% win rate, because their counters are always common enough. If Nyx becomes a consistent part of the meta then teams with too many high speed monsters that can’t handle being slowed may become capped with their win rate. This is not necessarily a bad thing because the overall result may be they become less common and we see slower teams become more viable. We may also find that high speed teams design ways to get around the slow to improve their chance to win against a Nyx match-up without compromising their win rate against other teams. This will only be worthwhile for them if Nyx is common enough.
One last thing to say… so far we’ve still not had a time where Nyx has been common and causing a problem in the meta. It’s much better to only take action once it’s been seen, like with the Charybdia meta. To be clear, Nyx general power level is a separate topic. Also, how many people own the monster plays a big factor with meta of course… that was definitely something driving the Charybdia meta.
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this may have had another knock on effect when it comes to mirror revenge types. im not certain but i feel like where tortogiest is present with multiple mirror monsters i tended to only get one copy in uc when aoe killed multiple monsters including tortogiest. it was especially notable when it was tort and baby tort. i think its because the opponent died before it hit the second mirror.
this may also be because of turn order i guess.
Even another slow FL at best will be an even playing field so let’s not call it a counter, what are the bad match-ups for Nyx then? It seems that everyone saying that Nyx sucked before this buff was still running her anyway. It’s another Prixis situation where people said several times that there were no viable counters and she was extremely OP at the time. As soon as a counter was introduced you barely see her in FLs anymore.
It doesn’t take a genius to notice the bias in this thread. Nyx owners vs. non owners, simple as that. Just like Lancerat, people can already see the problem well in advance but still some players have a hard time admitting a problem when it favours them.
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But the current situation paired witht he Nyx buff makes it so that Onyxia is a deadweight on the field 99% of the time after using KBR, it almost never gets a turn back. I use Onyxia and have experienced this a ton. The opponent is free to kill it whenever they have stun incoming and just leave it as a DW till then. Even without the doubled TU. 136s is a lot. Maybe a swift with 50-70 TU would be better as then you’d actually get a turn back with onyxia to pick up dreaded wave kills (tons of tanky mons which tank legends nowdays) or kill a HG mon with fatal sting.
I don’t think there’s been a single match where I’ve played a 2nd turn with Onyxia after using KBR.
Also sorry for the prev msg (which I deleted), I was looking for this msg but didn’t find it until after I sent that. 
Btw this last part isn’t the best comparison because nyx supporters do have some valid reasons for what they’re saying. All the ppl defending lancerat were just dumb lol
Good point. @Dev_VKC the thing with onyxia is that instant knockback random + stun counter with high defense is pretty much only good thing that made it good for pvp. Unless you can line up an easy kill, it totally sucks at having any meaningful impact on the field when it comes to damage or control after its first turn is over. It wasn’t uncommon that you would have to wait 200 secs or longer before onyxia could start doing things again and now that time gets pushed back by another 136 seconds.
I’m finding it hard to see the justification for such a significant nerf when it definitely wasn’t higher than A tier and it wasn’t even that high speed compared to what’s in the meta right now either.
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sounds like a skill issue. 
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I agree with Duck, the KBR should really be swift if not instant. Or switch elem healing for something useful/reduce it’s TU
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After trying nyx in test teams, i believe 600 seconds is too much of a punish. I would suggest decreasing the deathmark to 400 seconds.
And boy it screws over mortar monsters soo much
Did you awaken? I missed the last shard 
Yeah i awakend her. Works well with my slow monsters
But i believe it punish mortar monsters too much.
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That’s exactly why I wanted her too. Got nothing fast 
instant kbr is really needed to get rid the purify monsters before onyxia spam fatal sting, you limit his play style too much with the same TU as legendary lol.
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Meanwhile energy meta:
ayooooo XYZ variant with a railgun cannon 
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