What’s the point putting this in here? Lol
An attempt at humor.
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No one mentions megalo. Weird.
S+, easy 
In all seriousness I have plans to test the exact damage of Megalodragon before I rate it properly. I don’t know how much weaker “raw” assassinate is than the normal version. I had high hopes but I know many are saying the damage is not as high as they thought. However, we often get that when people assume things one-shot and they never have been that strong. I think the design of Megalo is incredible and that it will see play in FLs of PvP for years to come. For that reason alone I’m sure it should be S or S+.
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The first time when i used it, it took off just 2/3 hp of the water auto protector. Sometimes, it one shot that water se. Same problem to many other cases, so it is really unreliable. This is the main reason we complain.
Also the upper bound of dmg is low. Inconsistent to other raw moves. Never one shot rounded legends.
Now the 2 star auto protector makes it sort of useless.
Kudos for managing to rate all these monsters; seems that we’re share a similar opinion about most of these monsters. I’m assuming you’re doing additional testing for Megalodragon and Scyberithe, hence why you left those two out.
So agree. This makes me sad because I was excited to try it out.
Lol what? Definitely not top tier in pve.
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Doesn’t work in uc so definitely not S+
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Nvm it is general hehe I was scared for a second..
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I still don’t get why magmarinus, centurian, and sobeking is literally used in every top tier team (if they have it) for a WHILE but they are considered S only? That has to change. No way in hell they are not S+.
Also, some monsters should go down from S+ to S are:
Bloom: easier to deal with and can be out of the game so easily.
Tygoron: literally barely see him played in top and when I see him, the opponent loses.
Delugazar: with protecters nerf, this can be easily dealt with thanks to his slow speed and lack of good defensive stats and immunity.
Oakthulhu: I mean, have you ever lost it without losing before he hits the field? He is weak to purifying mist, camo monsters and poison immune. He can not one shot unless both targets poisoned and the target has to be thunder/storm based. He got nerfed way too much to be S+
I think bloom could stay where it is
Delugazar +9 is fast enough that it can catch you off guard
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Scorpiogeist should’ve been S for PvE, that was a typo I have now corrected. Raw double poison eater 100TU is ridiculously strong considering it has stun converter along with auto-poison to help your team get past shields/HG and it reliably has the move venom strike charged on entry which one-shots buffed monsters.
S is still very close to the top? Also, just because something is popular doesn’t mean it’s innately the best thing out there. Icefang has been popular since its creation despite it being one of those monsters that is terrible at what it was designed to do (deal with protectors). It’s only mildly playable now it has a roaring entrance repulse that can hit around protectors. There are many other monsters which people have loved to use over the years which I have greatly punished them for.
Monsters like Magma, Cent and Sobek can work slapped into almost any team. Magma with its dual slayerbane, high speed and stun immunity simply works well in a PvP setting to help control the pace of the enemy team. Cent with its instant purify and roaring entrance helps deal with poison/sleep and it can typically do high speed sweeping while being a little annoying to deal with because of the shield. Sobek is in teams for its tranquilising entrance, like Malwing.
Good, solid additions to PvP teams that are commonly played deserve to be quite high in the tier list but S+ is reserved for the most powerful.
Delugazar and Tygoron may not be quite so popular right now but that’s probably because they don’t do much to deal with protectors. I saw them slowly getting used less while the AP spam meta was about and it’ll take a while before they gain popularity again. Oakthulhu is still ridiculously strong despite the nerfs and the best auto-poison monster. Amazing to hear you think Bloomeluga should be dropped after all the talk of it needing a nerf this year.
That’s so not true. We are talking about top tier players. Not casuals like josh or someother who loves playing voidress. The best of the best only play the best.
So we gonna act like bloom didn’t get nerfed directly and also indirectly?
If I followed the meta the tier list would be constantly changing and not really reflecting which monsters are strong. You shouldn’t be so fussed about S monsters not being in the S+ tier, that’s only one tier difference! There are 162 legendaries I have to pick positions for. Also, the game is incredibly complex. How do you expect an individual tier rating to reflect everything about a monster? The tier list is a rough guide, it is impossible to show everything here.
Bloom’s nerf was not hugely significant. All it did was slow the speed of the first tsunami mortar / increase the time between the first attack and the second attack by roughly 25s. The fact camouflage behind protectors is not so powerful any more does not power it down by much. This was a popular use of it but not one I really rated it on. Even if protectors didn’t exist I’d probably rate it S tier or so.
Arboribratus is no were nearly being S monster at best hes B to A.
Cyclozar is a A monster not S hes literally being played at the moment due to scorpion speed if scorpion gets a speed nerf he will be out of the meta.
Gyomurai to B+ hes been nerfed too much and is unreliable.
Nulltron to A too many players are running stun counters/immunies/convertors and those that dont run them they run willo or bloom.
Novadrake A hes just a win more monster that have the same effect nearly as shockers. If you are already winning the game hes just going to close it for you and if the opponent had no stun aborber hes basically a shocker in a meta full of stun immunies hes no good. I just feel you are way to bias towards him.
Utopion to B+ hes no longer that great after the nerfs to link holy and better options are there such as bloom/willio not to mention the op lion.
Zeuswyrm to A same reason as null.
Thats pretty much cover the S and S+ tier and you really should revise your A+ tier since alot of monsters need to shaft.
Monsters that are underrated.
Ziberius is atleast a B+ to a A
Motordragon A
Azrazel A+ or even S
Oniblade A
Monsters that are overrated
That are not in the S or S+ tier
Razien at best a B+
Heavenswyrm B
All the Pupupa should not pass C+
Gloreonix is almost a D at best he be a C
Shadowyrm should atleast be A
You were saying how last PvP season you had your best win rate ever and that was with what you called your “Gyomurai team”. I’m seriously confused why you’re writing this now??
I will take another look at Utopion, I think that’s one I intended to drop but forgot about when I came to the update. I will be doing another thread soon where I’m dropping a lot of monsters as I try to spread them out over the tiers better. It’ll be a good opportunity for me to drop monsters which are not good in their tier.
The Pupupa will all be dropping. I didn’t want to be too harsh to them before we got a better idea of whether they can work.
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A B tier monster can have the same impact as an S+ when played in a specific team that support him gyomurai is not a monster currently worth rolling for even tho i had a good winrate with him last pvp but its probably due to players not knowing what to play due to update changes and after the anniversary and hallowen egg it became quite clear that posion is the dominant meta at the moment with fast sweepers.
Gyomurai does not have a significant impact on the game and only shines in one team that fit him and that team is a top tier with or without gyomurai.
I also said gyomurai team but to be realistic all the monsters in that team were fixed and any monster would do the same job as gyomurai in that team it just happend that i was using alot of water monsters and gyo fitted well in it.
Imagine this a football team with 11 players that have 10 superstars and 1 medicore player of course the team will do extremely well due to the number of superstars and not due to the 1 medicore player.