Would you at least admit that lemon was totally S+ tier last month after shikaotoko got top 1 using it?
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I also think youāre underrating Heavenshorn. He seems solid now: his damage might not be great but heās fast and has some great sweeping moves!
Besides that I agree with the update fully, tier more tier less.
There are now TONS of counters to Lemon and building around it is relatively easy but not going to be done as much as it was with Nectareon. I should point out as well that Iām rating the final form and it had both shield entrance removed and unmovable addedā¦ itās definitely pushed down the power of it. Itās weaker if youāre using it simply as an early-game tanky sleeper.
@NMEduck I honestly just want people to stop freaking out about my placing of it. I admit I was a tier off last time but thereās no need for anyone to make a big deal over it.
Piercing blow damage is not useful, slayerbane damage is low and it needs two kills. Itās fine but with the moveset it has itās not going to be anything special so Iād rather not push it higher in the tier list. If it were fighting against SEs it would be good but against legendaries/mythics it really struggles. I think it sits well in the middle tiers for PvE and PvP.
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Thatās not going to happen. The Tier List basically defines the worth of the monsters we own. Of course the monsters would still be good or bad without the tier list but the list makes a monsters worth visible and since the thread itself exists since forever it has a lot of credibility. So itās basically the go to place if you want to know whether you own good monsters or not. On top people want their own stuff to be good and they want the stuff they lose to to be good because everybody wants to own a good collection and nobody wants to lose to monsters who suck lol. So yeah, people will never stop freaking out. Also Tolerance of ambiguity is something this forum has always struggled with. The simple fact that itās absolutely normal to disagree about a monsters rating is seen as a proof that KD isnāt ranking the monsters properly.
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I would like if KD took opinions of a few players who own or use awakened mythics as far as pvp is concerned .
Perhaps a weekly stream or weekly discussion of an awakened mythic plus strict rule of no trolling in that particular convo.
I have used awakened xyz last few weeks . I was hesitant at first to use him but decided to use him just to meme others . But that extra turn on entrance to stun converters doesnāt make huge difference if own team is balanced correctly .
Xyz has won me games against a lot of top players . Plus times up and instant knockback on a high speed monster is valuable enough . He can be used strategically to counter-stall bloomeluga .
Only drawback is like I pointed out , own team must be stacked to handle situations against stun converters .
Awakened xyz is definitely a top tier in competitive pvp but needs a good supporting team as well . And hence , my opinion is he definitely doesnāt deserve S tier ranking , neither a tier as disappointing as E ,which he is in currently.
Because I can safely say he is far more intimidating than those S- mythics .
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Assigning a tier to a monster is very difficult. I took the activity of ranking players a few days back , nothing was ever as stressful as that. So, I feel itās a bit rude to judge this thread or KDās rankings without thinking twice .
Iām sure he is ready to indulge the community in ranking monsters he doesnāt own . I feel players must contribute constructively rather than upsetting his difficult work .
Thank you !
Iāve faced awakened XYZ and its a menace
Yes , he is now my dearest monster in PvP . He can turn the match around with proper use and āskillsā. He is that monster who cant be expected to perform well just by slapping him in any team or slot. Certainly a mythic for higher ranked players.
@ItsSherlock i heard you quit, is it true?
Canāt confirm
Would you have liked me to quit 
?
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Iām just bored and curious
Good work! Itās insane how many worthless SEs were powered up and rendered useful! Except for Lunalord.
One thing also: Apedemek is weak to Sleep Killer actually, because of Sleep Curse.
Plus, is the Ventokaizer thing recent?
I regularly talk with a bunch of players about monsters, especially those I donāt own. Just a few weeks back DonT and I did an āoverhaulā of the mythics PvE list. I also read practically everything written by people in the community. I have always said I want to hear as many opinions as possible on monsters. So believe me when I say that youāre sorely mistaken if you think Iām not doing this. The issue isnāt from my side, itās that the vast majority of people donāt share opinions on 80-90% of the monsters.
Also, Iām not too fond when you have people come in and say stuff like āI may not play the game anymore but Iām pretty sure KD is off with some of the rankingsā. I mean come onā¦ no constructive input, just insulting something I spend tens of hours over.
I used to have XYZ higher but I brought it down over time mainly due to pressure from the rest of the community (people calling it unplayable). However, my own opinion has changed with time. Over the 1.5 years itās been out Iāve seen it a lot now and used it myself (unawakened, but I can adjust accordingly). Basically yes it is very strong but it definitely does get countered at times and while team building can help get around that itās mostly out of your control. Usually when I fight against it Iāll stun it out of play and leave it there because the battle becomes a 4v3 and the stunning my team doesnāt matter (a lot of top tier monsters used in PvP are stun immune/converter or you have a stun counter on the field).
On balance, I think that it will work at times but too frequently get countered or not be useful that it doesnāt match up to what the other mythics do on average. When it comes to mythics theyāre much harder to place than other monsters. Almost all of them are very powerful and so even the lower tier mythics are strong, especially when used well or in the ideal scenario.
Good spot! I missed that.
I canāt remember when it was added but it was many months ago. When you first load into the game thereās a daily login bonus for 7 days and Ventokaizer is rewarded on one of the days. I think the only other place we can get it now is from friend chest but I might be wrong about that.
If I can find these people irl , Iād put a dunce hat on them and say happy world nature day
I have to say about XYZā¦ instant KBN is surprisingly useful for messing up the many players who have something at the back of their team to throw / Moku. XYZ usually gets one turn at least so it can almost always use that.
Ye also with the rising number of raizen front lines , he is very very good actually . Only in awakened form though .
Damn. Ventokaizer is one of the three classic 5ā monsters I donāt haveā¦ Sucks