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Sorry but my opinion this is to low in their tier.

I am already try shikaboom in PvE ,I can easily said this is one is better sweeper then Revenant. 100 ws in tower seem not hard with him.

Agree for PvE , but for PVP. Vineeye get many advantage more then normal token. And not like’ rhinoel(s+ tier) u can stack vineeye without affraid u lose control. Monster with powerful entrance and no restriction + stun imune should be at least S tier PvP .

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incorrect. in general PvE yes its probably a bit better. vs big buffs like in UC it will be ok because of the camo and shielding but Revenarchion will always be better for its abusability with revival strats, increasing damage and its piercing ss.

Yes its one of example compare with tier S monster PvE, If we compare shikaboom with another tier S monster like albakhan, oakqtulhu , tygoron and sageroom . Shikaboom will overkill them

I was on the fence about S or S- for Shikabloom in PvE. I have been very hyped for the monster so was worried I might overrate it, so picked the lower of the two haha. For the PvE tier list I put things which require setup (e.g. link) lower by a couple of tiers. However, I think you’re correct that it should be S tier. The union attack damage is very high and it is very hard for the AI to kill. Also, it only needs a couple of kills with union. It can even do it without any other beasts by doing protector conversion → union attack, if a person doesn’t have any good beasts.

@Gentle @INA-Archer
I knew there was a high chance people would contest S- for Jackolene. I hear your points, but I don’t think her reliability is good enough. Running her in the mid-game is definitely a better way to get her set up faster (the opponent will have fewer monsters so a Vineye should be closer) but you still have the problem of her being able to do basically nothing when she gets turns. The moveset is a big hindrance, making her very easy to ignore until a Vineye is about to enter. If she starts doing sprout conversion on teammates, those Vinegazers are very easy to kill or you can instead kill Jackolene at that point and force the Vinegazer to sprout conversion another teammate or attempt risky heal all.

The Vineyes being placed randomly in the team plus them having a reasonable (40%) chance to remove themselves on the first turn they get makes them a lot less powerful than they look on paper. Also, risky heal is a pretty useful move in some scenarios (e.g. I’ve had cases where I have two Vineye on the battlefield by the enemies couldn’t kill my other two monsters because they were being healed - making the whole slowing down of my team with the Vineyes pointless).

My gut feeling is the more we see her in practice, the more people will find she doesn’t reach her scary potential as much as we feared.

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Nikki kills it :smirking_face:

I think most of these are the right changes. I kinda agree with the points on Jackolene. There is no way she is lower than Raizen, which I still think is probably too high even at S. the rest are good changes

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I agree with a large amount of these placements. I think jackolene should go to S tier. While the vineyes are quite rng dependent, it is usually quite in favor of the jackolene user. Vineyes are so much worse tokens to deal with than any of the others. In comparison, boxchomps are often beneficial to the one who has them by bringing in four mons all at the same time.

Adding to what lemon said, I think raizen is one of the most overrated legendaries ever and should drop down to least S- tier. Same with nauticruiser tbh. The nautipods are often semi deadweight. It also has the same issue as razoray. It has a great first move or two but then it sucks for the rest of the battle.

I have a feeling you’re overrating blazetail but I haven’t tested it out at all to know for sure. The other placements I either agree with or don’t have a strong opinion on.

I’m glad you moved shikabloom to S tier for general after @EMI_Eklypz brought it up. I’ve never used it, but I do remember easily getting a 100ws in showdown tower with a myst frontline. I can imagine shikabloom having a similar playstyle when it comes to pve.

Agree ,I am already try her before. Sometimes its annoying when I meet another jackolene user they summon in next line . But my jackolene summon vineeye in endgame and they throw It.

Her power(skill) is low compare with another S tier monster like canish and basher. But her passive and ā€œtokenā€ is abusable ,Its very rare we have monster with powerful passive ,no restriction and not have unmovable. (only malwing and sobeking so far) and they are tier S+ tier .but hey, I think u can re- check her again with different team u use, but don’t use carmilla or Aethereon ,of course u Will get advantage with rizky healšŸ˜….

And thx for Up shikaboom tier, I am sure u Will love her.

Lol why the Raizen hate? Its one of the best stun monster in the game with controlled stun and there isn’t much drawbacks running it unlike other stun monsters. Definitely S+ tier for me still but nothing than S tier would be fitting for it.

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It’s good, but when you look at the other monsters in S+ It looks out of its depth. (and even S imo)

No hate though. We like Raizen

Definitely not S tier. Raizen outperforms most of the S tier monsters. On another side note Novadrake isn’t S+ tier anymore, definitely not anywhere near the power level it once was.

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Really? I feel the opposite and that most things in S out perform it. Even some in S-

I find if there’s no target for times up, it’s just waiting to be killed.

Each to their own I guess, but that’s always been my experience, playing with it and facing it.

If there’s no time’s up target then chances are the enemy team is stunable. Hence it’s easy mess them up with stun retribution and overwatch (overwatch to pass time). After 100s has passed the stun blitz is brutal.

Only thing I’ve found truly messes it up is stealth, particularly camouflage, because it can only hit multiple. It can at least still stun single targets. Also, it’s completely shut down by Aethereon, Bloom and Willowyrm… but those are all quite rare in the current meta. I know full stun immune spam technically shuts it down too but realistically those teams have stun converters or the occasional stunable monster and Raizen only needs 1-2 targets before it can mess up the enemy team by slowing it down loads.

I’d say it’s borderline S+ / S, only because in some scenarios it gets stuck unable to offer much.

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Na they’ll all be stun immune :sunglasses:

100 TU is too long to wait to do something imo. Also it’s likely to be about 120 TU. Don’t get me wrong, I like Raizen, but I find the scenario where it has no targets and nothing to do quite frequent.

I don’t feel strongly though, but I do agree with Ducky on this

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That’s true but u can actually really cover for dat by many ways

  • U can get rid of her by a backstab monster
  • U can set up a substitute strategizes with her with like basher or geo
    If u didn’t setup anything along with her. She not being able to do anything in her turns is okay in the long run. Cause the opponent will have to deal with 3 of her tokens that’s already hard to kill and that alone is a great advantage
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Yeah ally sub is an easy combo. Bauble or geo. Geo can even ally sub and then back stab, but I haven’t seen anyone use it yet.

Yeah when you’re using pullback she becomes strong. Just doing backstab she’s not really much better than Motordragon (3 Vineyes vs 5 Bronzeshells, with one guaranteed to be next in line). She needs synergy to become genuinely good and a good setup to actually push her over the edge into very powerful… all the while she relies a lot on RNG (placements of the Vineyes and that they don’t sacrifice themselves immediately.

or you can turn her into a vinegazer

i used that combo as soon as i got Jackolene. had onigeist in front of her too. she can convert onigos or get soul summoned out to token lock. XD

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Nice work! Yeah this is why I think she’s so strong. A better motor really but without the restriction