@NMEduck I didnāt really consider how Moku can still be used in the end-game effectively. Itās very useful in a variety of events too. Iāll move it up.
The Penguinator I had high because overwatch + desperate bite with excessive force is not something the AI could deal with well at all in the past. However, youāre totally right how itās something I should change now that piercing is far more common.
Thanks for pointing both of these out!
@SanghelioLord Geartyrant is simply way too slow. Instant double repulse + stun flash is powerful, especially considering it is tanky enough to get a turn quite often. However, past that it offers basically nothing for PvP. In top level PvP nobody would consider playing it. Thereās one guy who loves his Geartyrant + Oakthulhu + Shivadragon FL who has played it for many months but I honestly think itās the rest of his team that does well, not the FL. Is that person you?
ye moku should be ~S tier. I just clutched a battle in hell mode chapter 6 by repeatedly spamming mojimojiha and Iām sure it is even better when the buffs are lower.
@Killerdog
Any thoughts on moving Pandamonium to S-?
Iāve been using him for a while and he seems great
He got too many option
Sacrifice team turn is lethal with Retribution teams
I donāt posion him to abuse the sleep lock but I do put a Lava entrance near him to woke him up from sleep then a team turn
His whole moveset seems fun and combos well in many teams
Glad to hear youāre liking him! Iād really like to see him more myself before making a judgement call on pushing him up any further but if enough other people want him higher Iāll move him one tier. People mostly want stuff higher rather than lowerā¦ itās always a battle to spread things out enough over the tiers for a bell curve.
I would like you to reconsider kirina being s+ in pvp. She is strong but most of the time she gets killed after her first turn. A combo with her is also very fragile and she needs purifying.
I see you having trouble using her, there are some monster like shivadragon and saberdragon to combo with her and make her half health so she doesnāt die early and in this meta flocco 5th or 6th is usual so floccoās entrance makes her half health easily.
Btw sheās in S+ because of the low tu sweeping moves.Desperate strike/stampede when she gets on low health,True hit when protector around then Blood move sweeping when you get 2 kills on her in every 50sec is ridiculously good,it means she have a decent chance of killing an enemy monster every turn.
Your actually right. Altough I donāt have both monsters youāve mentioned which means she isnāt really s+ in my team. But Iāll try to make her work somehow and thanks for your advice.
It is a good point how people can play against her well though. She may end up being in S tier or something in the long run. I was hasty to put her up at the top for PvP. Having things in your team to help her avoid 1HP / 100%HP will be important and you may even need multipleā¦ which might be too awkward for the payoff and make her not as good as the best mythics. Weāll know with time.
Yes Iām glad you get my point. Just so you know I was really happy when I got her because of this thread says shes s+ which means sheās probably strong but it didnāt really amazed me as much. Although she is indeed strong when against AI.
Please reconsider my boy motordragon being a mere B. How is he lower than terrordragon? There have been a lot of strong monsters lately and the delay that bronzeshell offers is valuable. There are also a lot of ways to prevent the bronzeshell from lifeflipping to 1hp, you can hit them with uncharged skill like slayerbane, bloodcrave, dreamhunt which is highly available even to newer players.
He also has some crazy combo potential that can take down many s+ team like how he works with razorstorm, Time of reckoning would mostly be on your side and he can lifeflip a 1hp bronzeshell to full hp. Union is also charged unless one of them is taken down.
He also canāt be considered a deadweight since repulse and knockback next are great disrupt and he can also charge a blood move on rare cases.
maybe you right,he best monster to lock enemy with bronzeshell. but you must remember some newbie ,little hard to make a deck with him. not like another legendary with tier A.He can be demerit if your opponent have canibalize ,Azida,slayerbane or retribution move.
Even if newbies canāt build around him he still isnāt gonna end up useless. Most newbie are likely to face another newbie in pvp. And take a look at pandamonium being higher than him when newbies canāt also build around that setter. And those demerits youāve mentioned are not enough since they can be avoidable by repulse and knockbck nxt or you can sweep them with other monsters. You should not have trouble doing it since the bronzeshells would give you tempo.
Honestly I think Motordragon is overrated and overused. Itās true it does support strong teams well but it has to be carefully built around to actually perform well. Iāve faced it countless times and never had much problem with it other than when the opponent is able to take over the match and sweep through my team in a controlled way. There have been a huge number of battles where I have removed their ability to backstab Motordragon and won the battle because of that. I think Lunartic is better in almost every way and an underplayed monster. However, Iām quite happy that people choose Motordragon over Lunartic because it makes my life easier!
In the tier list I basically class Motordragon as one of those lower tier monsters which performs much better when built around well (e.g. with slayerbane or with a FL control strategy that morphs itself into sweeping). Itās a combo piece used by top players but thatās it. I used to have it lower but I admit these days you can more easily abuse the way it slows down the enemy team and the secret skill definitely boosted its power lots.
