I respect all of that. By āunderestimatingā are you referring to the B tier for PvP? Thatās purely because she takes effort to build around and even so is a bit of a coin toss. If she works, sheās extremely strong. There are too many strong mythics now that even the mid tiers are excellent monsters, they simply have some kind of caveat or two which makes them placed lower.
By underestimating, I mean that you can just about put her in any team, have a low tu sweeper next to her and just kill any monster outright, even without critical damage.
It takes just 3 turns to put any team on the backfoot, regardless of hp boosts/ def simply because even a normal aoe attack at that point can wipe a field.
But I digress, if youāre basing her capability as āstandaloneā, she defo gets outclassed.
Itās just too easy to put even a cheap purifier next to her and have a fleece fury chain if needed.
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Yeah you can definitely get away with minimalist building around her too. Itās more like 5 turns to put them just below 1000 HP where an AoE will kill them, but thatās splitting hairs. With purify my main issue there is itās 100TU beauty sleep + 50TU purify + 50TU fleece fury = 200TU for a piercing move. I know that you get the beauty sleep damage and you line it up better so itās more like purify+fury then back sleeping (aka 100TU) but itās not quite a super power combo, especially if you intend to āchainā it as you say (thatās more like the 200TU). At least, from what I can tell.
Iām definitely not ranking her as a standalone monster. She needs some kind of building around, even if you go minimalist.
How have you found playing with her in PvP? Has she felt very strong and, if so, in what kind of setup? Also, has she been reliable?
Itās difficult for me personally to say, because I recently awakened a lot of mythics.
But, using her in a similar setup as I would in PvE, sheās ridiculously tanky, 7k def is no joke. Add in a hp boost and it will take piercing to kill her.
Add in some camo, shields and a full heal on every self sleep, she is the ultimate mindgame. No one wants to see their entire lineupās hp just half in a few turns with minimal risk from the opponentās side, especially vs other surrounding sweepers around her.
For me, sheās cost efficient, since no ss is really needed and acting as a ridiculously tanky wall for the opp that is so oppressive after even just one nap that she can make the tanky bs most people struggle with, managable and āin reachā more often than not.
Bear in mind, that even the tankiest of mythics, when a charged bloodcrave from orca can do around 3k to 5k damage, woolala puts them in reach for a kill.
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Skyherra is the counter to woolala @Killerdog
Can anyone tell me why skyherra is in tier A? I see everyoneās first priority to kill him whenever they encounter it and he has full defence as well with a damage buff and void killing. The only weakness I see I chrono killer.
Iām not sure if what I said has a point as Iām quite new to this game and I would really love to know why is he rated like that. Thankyou!
All very fair points I agree with. Iāve been playing with Bastia for years so Iām very familiar with how tanky these monsters can be 
How have you found playing with her in practice in terms of how successful and reliable she has been?
For any monster you can do a search of the name after clicking the āin this topicā button and find the post where it says ā[monster name] goes in at X for general, Y for PvPā¦ā. Since this is a recent monster there arenāt later posts from me moving it into other positions, but any other mentions of the monster in this thread should come up from that search.
Hereās a link to the Skyherra post: š Neo Monsters tier list (see first post) š - #3086 by Killerdog
The tL;Dr on Skyherra is itās brilliant at coming in and getting a kill due to the high speed and high defence but 200TU is a long time to be out of play and, in high level PvP, piercing is common. That said, Iāve been a little too harsh on it and will be moving it up to S- tier. I think most top players will avoid it because itās too slow to attack, but for everyone else itās a great choice.
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A lot more hit than miss.
For me, it literally takes the most meta nightingale set to stop her. And I can reach that point sometimes before her entrance triggers.
Edit: Sheās a very good enabler for low dps piercing kills. (Albionās ha, Lucifelleās Fillicide, etc.)
Thanks for the feedback. You probably didnāt see, but I quickly edited my post where I shared Woolalaās position I intended for her. Originally it said A tier, but I changed it to B tier. Thatās because I envisioned it being A tier but Iāve been re-adjusting lots down a tier so thought it would probably end up in B. I did all the figuring out today and am happy to say it sits in A tier. I hope you feel itās a fair grade once I release the update.
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Ignore Woolala, I need Vixian and Leiraās tier to be adjusted in PVP tierlist (like there genuinely are people out there who might think they are that low tier playability when they donāt require much teambuilding) and nightingale to be in one of the S tiers absolutely. No one in the game does what does and her high TU moves can be played around with pullback easily. Sendback doesnāt even hurt her even if she is at hold ground and there is a poison endgame opponent.
Just to clarify tho, I mostly agree with your tierlist assessment. You do your research and ask other good players opinions on monsters so you do work hard. Just wanted to make sure to not come across disrespectful.
Edit: also I know your awakened mythic tier list letters donāt mean something is worse than another mythic, it just means itās less valuable than the one above it (we did discuss this before and that was your explanation before which makes sense) but as the game progressed. IMO, Vixian and Leira specifically are way above monsters like Apollonis, Ophidiator, Stellaurum, Chronozillian etc.
Stellauram is better than people think. Just uncommon and a bit slow.
Vixian will be S tier
Leira is staying in E tier
Vixian I totally missed just how much sheād been buffed. She went from desperately needing all throw fodder from teammates to easily creating at least two soul missiles herself and a bit of team building easily making that, say, 3 soul missiles. Those missiles went from being a half TU catapult into being a void move capable of dealing with any protector problems plus enabling rocklock or similar. I think also people should try using her SS because that with soul missile+ seems exceptional.
Leira I donāt think much of. You need to backstab her and there are better petrify-style monsters. The numbers of times Iāve killed her before she gets a turn because I skipped turns to line up two attacks is embarrassing for her. Even more embarrassing are the opponents Iāve beaten with sleep bomb. Of course she has a purpose and is good for the teams that want her, but I still wouldnāt call her amazing there. And donāt get me wrong, I think sheās nicely balanced how she is.
I disagree with this but I also noticed only few people who use her as a monster who gets a turn and kills something but instead forcing her into those motordragon token teams. I assure you, your opinion will change once she becomes more widely accessable.
How do you best recommend running her?
As a disruption that will take a turn and kill something immediately. So you gotta run her with other threats instead of just control monsters that can be ignored so even if the opponent knows she is next in line, they canāt worry about her but instead focus on the field threats. Iām excited to obtain her in the future, even if she doesnāt get featured next anniversary, I will save 2000+ gems just for her.
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Threats, but surely also ones that can bypass a protector or punish it? Otherwise itās just a weaker Nightingale.
Leira is def s tier. Just wait till another anniversary and then people start to say leira is broken. She is enabler like nightangle , definitely no worse.
The awakened form is a lot harder to ignore. It doesnāt even need something to remove it if you run it later or have some good stuff to take advantage of the moogongs
Today I spent a few hours making the tier list changes. Theyāre not done (second form mythics and HP boost) so I havenāt made the post of the changes yet. However, the line is open for critique and impressions!
Please also be aware that a forum update has allowed all the images to have names. Therefore, Iāve removed the names from the tier list.
To view the names:
- On PC - hover the cursor over the image
- On mobile - click the image
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