She will be insane for pve S+, 35 tu attack with attack boost and excessive force should clear things extremely fast
As for PVP she is a solid S- or an A, she has all the means to be insanely good, her only downfall is that her SS has counter synergy with her skills and she doesnt have a healing skill that can easily get her back to above 70 hp
If you can protect her, she could easily win you the game, i wouldnt go too hard on her FD monsters, maive FD monsters are better since they are entrance instead lf revenge
As you later pointed out, the TU on F.D. Confident Strike is a crucial part of what makes her good. Similarly, Fluttering Morph reducing from 160 ā 100TU is an important addition you only get from awakening. The extra HP matters a fair amount too, since she is tanky and youāve built around her so you really donāt want her dying.
That said, sheās definitely highly functional in second form and nearly as good when you factor in the cost differenceā¦ I just wouldnāt go as far to say sheās not worth awakening.
I did awaken her in the end, but Iām not satisfied with how little distinction there is between her and Alyce in their second forms and awakened states.
I want players to feel a strong incentive to collect all four shards and fully awaken, with clear, meaningful differences that make it worth the effort and cost.
I really like the look of this monster. The 70TU confident strike is definitely the most exciting aspect and I think youāre almost always going to want to use her with F.D. Lotus for the 40% accelerate (note it can even sacrifice itself). However, strangely people donāt use the equivalent for F.D. Maeve so I could be wrong. Itās also crucial to keep her on high HP, which F.D. Salvia helps with (can either sacrifice heal or it heals when it dies).
For the most part, I reckon this will be a setup that revolves around getting that 35TU piercing sweeping going and using that to win a battle. Certainly for PvE thatās the best way to go. However, there are loads of different combinations possible now if you have both Morgan and Maeve.
For PvE this looks exceptional, itāll just struggle with some revenges. The fact you only need SEs to make the setup and the monster is even good in second form means this is probably a great choice for newer players.
For PvP itās surely got to be better than Maeve, but it still comes with some of the drawbacks like being medium speed and the setup being potentially fragile. Iām very interested to see how easy it is to ādisableā by putting onto low HP. The sacrifice move can still get it kills relatively fast and if there are 3 flutterdrakes then bloodlust does 5k damage with just a single kill so maybe it can work around that.
A couple of weird bits about the design:
The secret skill is basically useless and the restriction on its use is bugged (itās counting enemy flutterdrakes too?). I donāt understand its purpose.
Counterstrike means all three of the element-killer moves that flutterdrakes have are for killing water. Maybe flutterdrakes are meant to have this weird rock-paper-scissors where theyāre designed to be a counter to link water??
Stop crying about Allyce men
Why you want to kill one of the few monster that can ride and help low pvp playera to get better result
Stop spamming and make a team that can put her down
The problem is her second form is too close in power level to the awakened form. Sheās too strong for 12 cost. Thatās a completely separate issue to anything about the design or power level of the monster as a whole
But i still donāt get it
If you can have it with no need of awakened, then use it
The problem with Coltraz is like, if i pay mon-_-ey i should have abyssal differences between my awakened and the other monster that everyone can use it
I play this game a lot of tiene ago, and i remember how broken was Lemon in second form, tell me, what time took to get nerfed??
Coltraz need to get out of the Paywall Mind, the monster are not only for him, instead, while the monster itās good, and after a few months or maybe a year you nerf it, it will make that they 80% of the players that used it, go for the awakened version
It is plain for anyone to see that Alyce does not have enough difference between the 2nd and awakened forms. The 2nd form is also way too strong for 12 cost. This has nothing to do with Coltraz perspective on things, heās just one of the people making the effort to voice a complaint about it on the forum.
You are correct that Lemon is another case where the second form had too much of the final form moveset. This has happened a few times. There have also been some cases like with Sakuralisk where it had stun counter in second form which, for the time, was way too good at 12 cost on a tanky monster. Alyceās 2nd form is doing both these things, itās eggregious and needs fixing.
But not with the ideas they bring
Remove 150 Dual Bomb and make it the SS (thats clearly a way to get her usable only in awakened, cause lets be honest, the pure sinergy of Allyce is that, stun, get ride one monster and auto-sacrifice)
Remove the Shield on second form
The nerf they are asking are pretty fun cause doing that will better use Tezcatlipoca tbh
Iām pretty sure Coltraz has suggested a bunch of different ideas for how to tweak Alyce 2nd form at this point. I agree the idea this time was too much, but most of the others have made sense. You donāt need to worry, the Devs arenāt going to do something like remove the bomb move from her. They want the 2nd forms of mythics to be playable. The ideal scenarios is the 2nd form being good but the awakened form being clearly better that people are inspired to awaken it but they arenāt put off by it being no good until they get 4 copies.
I think F.D. Morgan here is a great example of a monster thatās very good in 2nd form and lots of people can use her to form brilliant teams (in PvE at least) but sheās even better awakened.
I agree
Allyce is too good in second form
But i donāt get the need of an urgent nerf on her (let me be clear, i donāt use it, i still prefering Aello hehehe)
Ah thatās really bad, I donāt understand how you can have two queens. I donāt know in which hive you saw two queens to do that.
If you had created the new generation of fd for her it would have made sense and it would have been great, but no they both work (maeve and morgan) with the same servants.
but the worst thing is for this morgan you have added weaknesses to the old fd. Daffoli was already a dead weight and now he is vulnerable to the anti revenge movements
You can think of Morgan as an evil queen who was outcast because of her greed and envy ā just like how her buff passive doesnāt get triggered by Maeve.
