Charybdia (poll and discussion thread)

Yeah. Let me use higher speed mythics with Nyx, I hope you will love it.

Nyx will never be meta as it is. First it creates a very unpleasant playing experience for the enemy team, secondly, as soon as it starts becoming more common, Unicera and Kattmander will take her out. Nyx only works to an extent now because nobody can’t bother to build a team to deal with her as a priority, not enough users to create much of a problem.

So she is that much unpopular, that it needs to be nerfed, so the new high speed myths and legends can still be at their power level :upside_down_face:

You were the one trying to make sure there was no counter available to Nyx so you could run her effectively 100% of the time.
I still think fermata needs to be reworked because it creates too much dead weight when it hits, but I think the idea of a counter to fast FL is valid, just doesn’t have to be so oppressive.

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My favorite fermata moment its CW with 500sec void killer move😅

I really can’t believe it. It seems that people here have a limited vision of things. It’s incredible, I’ve never seen that.

You know what nerve reminds me of. This makes me think of: Soral, Maeva, skel, floccu, freezecobra, scorp, deathgazer, stun.

by talking, talking, talking they will end up making it completely useless, that’s a fact. This has already been proven and will never change.
Vkc himself declared that nerfing the mythics they wanted the guest as much as possible. for obvious reasons. for many this represents by myth alone and also a huge expense; no one notices that a monster they worked hard for becomes a damn post-nerf Soral.

Devs are not stupid. It will take time or not but they will necessarily free up a counter. People were complaining about Dr, today we have gaia, unicera, doomhoof, dreadmoth who can, thanks to their speed (the first 3 in particular), overthrow and against Dr. It’s also worth it for Carmilla when it came out in FL she was a queen, she wasn’t afraid of anything not even a true hit. Now it’s no longer as reliable because there are too many meters in FL. it’s the same for stun they released monsters that punish for using stun, unfortunately it wasn’t enough. For poison we have dreadmoth, the new legendary form of viridi, for the gravity field we have Geo.
AND this applies to almost all including Charybdia which has a lot of counter even the complete defense does nothing in front of VD. Can’t you wait for them to give us the ultimate counter? many here only see their interests they can always use one of their 30 mythics which works well hidden behind Bastia which offers an absurd gaming experience and especially for those who do not even have many +9 monsters.

In short, for me there is no problem. or you create a counter at speed 100. either you make it a Soral and reimburse yourself because that’s what’s right after a nerf

edit: sorry I tried to be brief I hope you understand what I’m saying

Dragulus is not a problem one bit. The swift knockback is the only good thing it has going for it.

This hits the nail on the head with Prixis. It’s a problem waiting to happen, as soon as there’s a second monster which is fast and does something very powerful/controlling. I think the game can handle Prixis itself, but we don’t want it coming up whenever a new combo emerges.

As for its relationship with Chary, that’s clearly an absurd combo. However, seeing a team with just one of the two… Chary is a far more egregious powerhouse. I’ve been playing against Prixis for months and haven’t found them the same kind of problem as Chary (without Prixis) is at the moment. To be clear, I’m someone with Charybdia awakened and HP boosted (from day 1 of its release) and have 0 copies of Prixis.

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prixis is much more problematic it is almost inevitable. If you use what things at speed 72 +9 it will destroy you there is almost nothing that can prevent it unless you have two monsters strong and fast enough to do it but that’s not good. May is not common enough and it is the only one that has a chance of stopping it (it is also a question of luck because the speed in both is so low that Prixis can take the lead). and for Nyx there is only katt and megalomaniac and if there is AP it’s over. I remember facing Coltraz a long time ago in FL Mantis, Beetlebrute, Shika and Gaia the only one that can be considered very fast is Gaia yet 3/4 of my FL has become ■■■■ and he sneakily concentrates everything he could on shika who was unaffected andTo hear him speak it’s as if Fermata only hits monsters with 80% speed. Nyx is broken and difficult to stop no matter how prevalent it is in PvP or it doesn’t change his status. people just prefer to run the meta.

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yo is anyone gonna point out coltraz making arguments in bad faith for like the eleventh time in one thread? he literally brought up megalodragon as if he’d ever lose to someone who runs that with @PurpleHeart as the sole exception lol

@Cesar is a special guy so idk what to do for him. apparently losing one high speed monster to prixis is worse than having a 400tu deadweight or having half your frontline disrupted at 75% speed at a mere 136tu

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The only problem is Raw Twin KB. Just change it lol

Sorry but if they did this to you, they never did it to me :clown_face:. Unless I use the account where I don’t have Glaciaron, that’s normal since I can only count on jurlunger who always comes after Prixis. Pushing me away isn’t really a problem in this regard, on the contrary you’re putting yourself in trouble by doing that. And in my charydia count over 500 battles if there is no AP then Charybdia doesn’t last very long. In fact it’s most of the time in combat where no one will be able to use it. If someone did this to you it’s really sad (you can speak Mr I’m abusing prixis)
edit: be soft, it’s nothing personal or insulting.






Make no mistake, Duck. I know very well what you mean. I abused this a lot myself. My opponents weren’t weak just because they didn’t have what it takes to kill Charybdia, not because she’s too tanky or too fast but just because they had nothing to stop me from doing what I wanted . Charybdia I used it well before you too :smirk:.

bro I got top 1 last season, that line of reasoning doesn’t work on me lmao. In fact, I think it’s safe to say that I was the one abusing chlamydia the most out of everyone last season. While I did use prixis, I also had onyxia and gorgo to take advantage of the auto poison and disruption to deal ridiculous amounts of damage right at the start.

I said this before, but how is prixis killing a single important monster worse than twin knockback (136tu) or bind? Using bind isn’t a liability unless you play like an idiot because that’s making deadweight on both sides. The thing is that it’s not equal because you get auto poison and the deadweight ends in 252tu on your side instead of +400 for your opponent.

Also don’t worry about me taking this personally. It’ll take way more than this to wind me up

I think after ~300 posts we’ve established that the high speed is the problem and the rest of its moveset is what helps it abuse its high speed. Twin kb is just one of three options you have to ruin your opponent’s lineup when getting a turn.

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I disagree Chary is more problematic, it’s way easier to counter than Prixis but I agree that it will cause more damage when it hits.
One possible suggestion is to slightly increase Padrinorca’s speed to always have a turn before Charybdia does.

I’m not so sure that you do. I’ve killed entire teams with just my frontline with chlamydia at the core of the lineup. The screenshots you sent don’t really show all that much when it comes to chlamydia’s full potential. Also you had maybe a bit less than a week more to use it before I awakened it. That’s pretty negligible if you ask me

Well that’s it you say you use p
Prixis. The way I saw it. L
what you are doing is getting rid of what might be getting in the way or killing your Charybdia. Afterwards you can push back two monsters and your gorgo wanders into the opposing team, it was damn good. but consider that things would not happen like this if your Charybdia was killed before the first round of your Prixis. Where for example a monster faster than Nyx, combined with AP+ cyclozar for example. What I just want to tell you is that it is possible to stop Charybdia before its turn which is generally not the case with Prixis hence my problem with it. Even this megalomaniac. At + 0 it stops Charybdia with a sharp blow on Prixis it will have the effect of a tickle

Prixis is more reliable, but killing a single monster usually isn’t going to give you such a massive advantage unless you have something as strong as chlamydia to follow it up with. Prixis kills stuff but that’s it. It doesn’t have low tu sweeping, it can’t target multiple enemies, and it can’t make something deadweight for 400tu while maintaining auto poison with 35k defense.

Think about what happens when an enemy prixis gets a turn vs when an enemy chlamydia gets a turn. It’s pretty clear which one is much worse.

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Here is a classic example. This guy pushed my orca away because he couldn’t handle it, but in the end he had Gabrielle (awake), freezecobra, scrop, and Gazer orca beat them single-handedly. It’s also happened to me to push back and in the end after having held on the monsters pushed back ended up showing superior to those at my end all this through good decision making. Putting things off may not necessarily be there solution
example: in 6th he has malwing, so I have a stunned monster, one asleep and the other unusable for 136tu. It all really depends on how the person plays. It’s not because you are at the top that everyone will necessarily play like you in terms of decision-making. Why do you think there are thousands of people copying you?

I understand you are right. I am not saying that Prixis lifclasse Charyd I think the opposite. The only thing I wanted to make you understand it’s just that Charybdia is much more likely to be stopped before his first round than Prixis . And that it is the latter that really needs to be a little reworked

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I have seen duck without Prixis so better stop defending her. I already mentioned more than 10 counters of char but sadly this is the forum of few people and it will never represent whole community.

If u guys are saying char is broken there is live banner of unicera go get yourself.