Its that same case like the Carmilla discussion where the biased Carmilla owners refused to accept its brokenness. If you think Prix being broken makes Charybdia any less worse then you’re wrong. Yes Prixis may have less counters but that doesn’t change the fact that Chlamydia is broken. Not only is it ludicrously bulky after Bind+ but unlike Carm its permanent. Heals like anything with that 51 tu kill move. Has 136 Tu Dual KB at 76% speed . Bind disables one enemy permanently. If you think these don’t make it broken then I must say that means you owning Charybdia has blinded you.
Make Virulent Grasp deal a little less damage and decrease its speed to around 70% and its much less oppressive.
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Great to see someone suggest a Chary counter idea.
Dev_VKC has spoken. They’re looking for counter ideas whether it’s a new monster or buff to an old monster. I’m interested to see what other people come up with for this. I’m struggling to think of a good one!
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Not just Chary counter. I’m tired of these fast knockback no risk high reward brainless Fls.
Here’s an idea Dev VKC
Moves:
Cannibalize Token
Fast Fury
Purifying Ray
Bloodfury
Passives:
Gravity Field
Reverse Time Curse: If this monster is targeted by a move that pushes it back by more than 200 TU or stuns it more than 200 TU then it instead pushes that enemy mon back by that TU and is itself pushed back by 100TU.
SS:Dual Disruption Bane: Deals critical move to two enemies if one or both enemies have Disruption moves. Ignores Revenge passives.
Standard Def
Speed:49%
Element: Storm(Specifically Storm so that it doesn’t get countered by Unicera,Katt,Dragulus)
I really hope that you will look into the whole FL Knockback/Repulse issue and not Charybdia only because Prixis has been a much bigger problem for far longer and it hasn’t been addressed properly. Now you make a monster that a lot of people were saving gems for and because its widely available to a lot of players you feel that it’s valid to nerf it as a priority instead of other monsters? If only a handful of high spending players have certain monsters then you are happy to keep them OP and ignore the lower ranked players opinions?
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The issue here is that people were happy to abuse the system when just a few players had awaken certains mythics, now that A LOT of f2p players managed to awaken Charybdia she becomes a problem. I can’t look past how biased this nerf request is. As I said, happy to see a whole knockback/repulse meta nerf plus Prixis.
Nerfing only Charybdia is a slap in the face of all the f2p community that saved hard for it.
A slap in the face is the whole existence of HongHua and calling it an anniversary mythic. Her recent changes made her go from F tier to F-.
Well, I thought it was a weird monster to begin with and not worth rolling for although you could’ve taken your chances and hope for a buff in the near future, but complaining about it being weak when it’s a choice to spend on it doesn’t make a lot of sense and not comparable to the issue at hand, everyone knew there was a second mythic coming anyway.
It’s valid to try and get it to be made useful though, fair enough.
And when we try to run it many ppl Will say “hey u spam 99% speed monster” lol. I am still thinking best way to run nyx is with Ap/taunt so that FL only weak againts Nikki and unicera (both myth)
Excellent point. Run 2 specific monster to counter a monster its already bad choice. Every time I Saw player run 2 SE in FL . I feel like its free win for me except they run formation that hard countered my formation in nextline
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Charybdia is on a very different level to Prixis. 75% speed with raw twin knockback and full defence stats is clearly way beyond anything we’ve seen in the game before. Prixis is high speed and kills a single enemy, that’s strong but not something that’s going to warp a match in your favour by itself. This isn’t about being biased, anti-F2P or anything like that. It’s in response to a monster very clearly breaking boundaries from as soon as we got to see the moveset and now it’s showing how meta warping it can be.
(To everyone)
Btw I see a few people mentioning “high speed knockback meta” in these discussions. What other high speed knockback monsters are a problem? I thought we only need to tackle Chary and then as a separate issue get Prixis in check a bit more… not that there is a problem with other things people are playing?
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For charybdia, I am kinda disagree with gravity or auto protect can counter her. Since I Saw some player run it with them. Chary is kinda Special monster unlike other fast knockback monster she still can use Bind+ and its damn broken with that speed. Best solution its make her speed around 60% (maybe even lower) .
And design for monster that can countered this fast FL such a NYX , prixis, and charybdia. Its we create Fast SE Raw Man eater and bloodmove (elem thunder or Earth)
Why do you put Nyx fronts together with Charybdia Prix FL and call them both fast? Do you even know how Fermata works and how you are supposed to build around it? Nyx being 92 speed means the remaining mons will be under 50 speed to avoid getting debuffed.
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I am not said player run them at a same time 
. I just said they are fast FL myth(sorry bad English ) . If we create super Fast man eater SE we have chance to counter them with just a monster . And man eater it self its very good in meta since nearly everyone have Humanoid Myth
Read again. Using Nyx in a team most likely means the remaining monsters in the frontline will be under 50 speed, which in itself is a counter to building fast frontlines. You are RESTRICTING YOUR OWN frontline speed.
NYX IS DESIGNED TO COUNTER TEAMS WITH 4X 80 SPEED.
I do not understand how you can merge together those totally different frontline builds and ask for more counters to them. Those are totally different builds, as Nyx build is to slow enemies down to get the time required to charge her, while Charybdia Prix build is to take early control with focused sweeping and twin knockback.
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U seem very sensitive when we talk about NYX. U must remember she not only counter monster with that 80% speed . Even slow monster like angelion is effected . Even load mortar get affected. U can’t even accel it! I Saw this NYX kinda similiar like OOO. But the team building its not insomnia but Low speed and tanky monster instead. (Well sorry for talk about NYX in this thread)
I try give idea for good monster FL and can countered fast humanoid or myth FL. And best way to counter them its kill them before they get a turn. Since most likely fast myth FL is humanoid monster man eater its best choice
Dragulus at the same 75 speed.
Pair with Prixis and it’s already enough to destroy a frontline. Unicera has just been released and it’s a direct counter to Charybdia either with or without a protector.
Most combos are becoming problematic when paired with a common denominator, Prixis.
I think nerfing Charybdia is way too rushed. Better buff a couple of older monsters to counter it in FL and it should add more variety overall.
As I said many times before, sometimes it’s just about offering more viable counters to each strategy so we don’t see very similar teams on top over and over again.
Genuine question. How many Nyx setups did you face in the last couple of months compared to the amount of Charybdia we see in fronts since the anniversary?
I would think that if Nyx was so overpowered then I would face her more often. I faced 1 Nyx teams last month after playing 400 matches total and it was @keets running mirror team to mine.
@Dev_VKC I would love for you to show the numbers of (awakened) Nyx % uses in the last month, compared to Charybdia or Prix or any other S tier Mythic.
Nyx should only target very fast monsters, a speed of 50 is beyond ridiculous. You hit even 2 monsters with fermata and you create 2 dead weights. Change it to 70 and then we can start talking about a fast fl counter. Having a monster at 51 to be considered fast is just absurd.
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Well we back to early Topic again . What monster its good counter againts NYX ? Only cattmander and megalodragon and they both Will fail If u run with AP.
And I am also think megalo and cattmander, can’t even counter your tanky FL monster remaining.
If you do that @Coltraz will appreciate it 