If they nerfed a few of the top mythics like lemon and didn’t unnecessarily nerf freezecobra and some of the monsters with raw moves (rocollosus, scorp, etc.), I would’ve changed my vote from a C to an A. I think a good portion of the negative votes could’ve been avoided if the devs didn’t strengthen a bunch of awakened mythics through indirect nerfs to their counters or stupid buffs like making dreamcrush 160tu.
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Yeah specially Raw overwatch it doesn’t make any sense that they had to nerf a move those moves dont give u any advantage,unlike raw bloodmoves that bypass protectors @Dev_VKC please take note on those moves maybe make it 50 tu instead or revert the changes
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They should also look at Jack-o’-scorp and Jungleflipper. They were already pretty bad monsters to begin with and now they have 160tu raw moves instead of 100tu. Scorp should have a tu reduction on raw double poison eater again imo but it isn’t that necessary I think.
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I agree maybe 130 or 160 tu
I feel so bad for those two poison SE they increase their raw poison eater to 160 tu,I feel that is a bit to excessive
Scorp needed a nerf anyway at some point and calling Jungleflipper terrible is nonsense, he does upgrade the dolphin party alot. Judging a monster without its intended synergy is wrong.
Instead of giving Rocolossus and the other raw overwatch tu back - how about making overwatch in general 30 - 50 sec TU. Would buff quite some monsters and keep things clean.
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Don’t be that guy. Most people would have been fine with nerfs if they were handled equally, instead already overpowered mythics got buffed, Freezecobra got nerfed for absolutely no reason, and to give a light slap on Orca’s wrist they nerfed to the ground a dozen other monsters.
Also now that RAW doesn’t come with a tu reduction anymore I’m not sure how they can justify Sakuralisk’s Hypnotize being 50tu when Sleep is 70tu and Potent Sleep is 100tu.
This balance patch was handled embarrassingly bad.
I’d like to take chance to say that all Double Poison Eaters and Double Energy Bursts should be 160tu, and Poison Eater should be 130tu. As far as Scorpiogeist goes frankly I’d rather they nerf the other top tiers to his level and not the other way around, but if a tu reduction is what they decide to go for I think 130tu RAW Double Poison Chomp is the way to go.
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As a secret skill it seems perfectly fine. The other cases of hypnotise are all secret skills and they’re 1TU with the link condition
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I voted A and have zero awakened mythics @AlvaroGc
I think people are mad because they have to actually consider teambuilding instead of just throwing good mons into their team haphazardly
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Well that’s why there are rules of max cost or limit of legends in pvp. And I would never consider it a good update because they nerfed op monsters (that’s fine) but they did not nerf a single mythic like Lemon (even they buffed one of them…). That’s why I said that. But of course that’s my opinion
yeah but that’s what everyone with a bunch of mythics can do a lot more easily after the patch
Let’s be honest. If Lemon was nerfed, people would have been happy on the whole. 
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If lemon was nerfed I would’ve rated it a B or an A
Yeah I’d have gone A too. Flocc still makes me a bit sad though
I wish they kept dual slayerbane or retreat but losing the stun immunity is great. It seems like they took your stun immunity thread into account when making the balance changes. @Killerdog @NMEGaryOak I think you two are underestimating how many people disliked the update not because their favorite monsters got nerfed but awakened mythics getting buffed.
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The buffs to awakened mythics in this update were very minor. The fact people took the angle of “this update nerfs legendaries and not mythics at all” is completely wrong in my opinion.
Three top legendaries were nerfed hard. Then there was a change to raw that impacted more legendaries than mythics simply because more legendaries have raw moves. Then there was the poison nerf, again not legendary specific but impacted more (and a few SEs) simply for which monsters have those things. Other than those nerfs there were general small balance tweaks.
So I’m going to keep my stance of people are just bitter about their strong stuff being nerfed and made a leap from that to push an agenda of mythics being “untouchable” and other nonsense like that.
If the buffs/tweaks to mythics had come in any other update nobody would’ve batted an eyelid. It’s simply because they’ve come in an update where major meta things were hit hard that people have made a fuss.
I don’t want to go spouting all this out where I read what I’m calling “nonsense” but if you ask me directly then I’ll write what I think. Don’t get caught up in all the people who are upset and taking what they write as gospel. Kuromasa got hit hard, Arachnodrake is weaker, Asmodia can’t be used in 5th spot, Huskegon (2nd and 3rd forms) lost some flexibility. There are just fewer mythics overall.
P.S. I completely want a nerf to Lemon and to Cynthia which are two of the few mythics that are dominant in PvP and feel too strong. They could’ve and should’ve been included in the list of nerfs this update. Lemon has already received nerfs and Cynthia is pretty new to the game so I don’t think it’s fair to judge ZigZaGame’s approach to nerfing mythics simply from them not being nerfed this update.
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I probably should’ve said strengthened instead of buffed because the largest changes for mythics were indirect shifts in the meta (the special rule hasn’t ended but the major changes to poison are already quite obvious). I’m fine with the top legendaries being nerfed if that will reduce power creep and make the meta more healthy, but this also makes the top tier awakened mythics a lot stronger now that legendaries that countered them are weaker.
Lemon didn’t get any changes, but I think it will be significantly stronger now that dusicyon and the poison archetype got huge nerfs. Same goes for sakuralisk but it actually got a buff with 160/136tu dreamcrush. The overall power level of many good legendaries was lowered while the power level of awakened mythics stayed relatively the same.
A few mythics like gorgodrake, amsodia, kuromasa, and arachnodrake are a bit weaker but that is more than evened out by the other mythics. I’m not sure huskegon counts because it already got a huge buff in a recent update and it is still the best stunner by far.
Tbh it’s a pretty feeble claim when a couple of top legendaries get nerfed that all mythics become comparatively stronger. Poison FLs being removed too is just yet another meta shift. There are plenty more powerful FLs and combinations of monsters to explore and we’ll see that now over the coming months. In total we have 191 legendaries now. A few being nerfed isn’t going to impact them as a whole.
A much more important thing to focus on is the sheer power of some mythics being released and what people who have access to awakened mythics (plus a large collection of legendaries) are able to do. This barely gets explored as a PvP meta because so few have the monsters but there are some crazy things possible. So I would focus on getting the changes/nerfs we want and need on mythics to happen rather than making a fuss over a few nerfs to legendaries and claiming that those have impacted the F2P vs P2W balance. It’s honestly got much less impact than the slowly increasing pool of mythics in the game.
I know that a lot of people are wanting to get some mythics nerfed or altered but the focus around this update being something that’s drastically affected any balance between mythics and legendaries or that mythics were ignored completely is ridiculous and missing the point. I’m almost certain it comes from a place of people getting upset from their strong monsters being nerfed, particularly Dusicyon and Flocculasaurus. I know it’s really harsh of me to say. I don’t mean to anger or upset anyone by doing so, just pointing things out as I see them.
First of all, don’t ever group @Killerdog and I together again.
Second, I have no awakened mythics so that’s not the case. Awakened mythic users don’t want this Flutterdrake smoke best believe
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I grouped you with killerdog because you two seemed to be on the same page. I don’t see how you not owning any awakened mythics makes any difference since I wasn’t talking about whether you liked the update or not. I think more players including myself dislike the update because the top mythics are stronger now and the top legendaries are nerfed.
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