Kattmander its a heavy nerf

[Coltraz]

@Kaneki

Something to say about megalodon+shadowyrm+scarletguard?

Broke boys frontline if you ask me.

[IBERIAN]

It makes sense that Kat is strong against 2 types of monsters very quickly, Unicera, but it is also true that Unicera and Glacieron are strong against water with high speed, for me it is very similar to what happens with Kat, it would make sense to nerf both or none

[Mr.X]

We may agree to disagree,

But the concept is the same, uncera will counter protectors death revenge and water at 99% speed,

Lets assume they are all elements for simplicity

Water being blue
Death being purple
Protecters being gray

If any of these elements are in fl uncera will kill them right away at 99% speed

Glacirion; do the same

Water is blue
Poison is dark green

These are two elements that he can kill at 99%

The reason they didnt get nerfed is because they keep octopus girl in check ??

Using the same logic kattmander was keeping nyx, and nova in check, lets also note these two are no were near the power of octopus girl

[IBERIAN]

chardibya has counters for, unicera, glacieron, cyclozar, prixis etc etc, the thread is deviating quite a bit, in the end they will buff kat and disable chardibya, to say that the chardibya nerf is more necessary is absolutely ridiculous, it can no longer be hidden behind of protectors and has many counters with high speed, anything else?

[Chief_Grey]

You guys miss the fact that Katt kills at super low tu and then can sweep after.
Can’t be right.

Suggestions:
Swap the speed between katt and nyx. Katt can keep prenerf ss.

[Myst]

It’s not about check. Unicera just can only do that and most of the time she is dw. And u are asking for her nerf. Come on wake up to reality my boi. Be sad for kat nerf but don’t be blind. That’s all .

[INA-Archer]

@Dev_VKC

They also serve as heroes to keep our octopus girl in check.

U should try limit 1 charybdia and prixis at same time . Why u never thought about simple idea like this ,Since u release charybdia ?

U already limit Scorpiogeist and gazer at same time in previous season and it work, (I am rarely meet poison) . Few season ago u also limit 1 dolphoone and dolfreeze at same time and it also work .

[Mr.X]

Am using logic and i dont play katt either

[Myst]

Then your logic is logicless.

[Mr.X]

If you fail to see logic thats your fault, get better

[Killerdog]

@Mr.X

Lets take into consideration that katt only kills weak defense light and dark while uncera has two piercing moves and glacirion can kill two monsters on its first turn while have stun convert

Using the same logic Unicera will have a target if the opponent plays any protector, death revenge or water. (Basically three targets)

Glacirion has insta poison and water killer (two targets poison and water)

Legendaries and mythics Unicera one-shots:
57 water + 32 DR/protector = 89 (might have miscounted). Note that there should be bonus points here because Glaciaron/Kattmmander cannot hit their target it there is a protector, but Unicera doesn’t have that problem.

Legendaries and mythics Glaciaron one-shots:
52 water + 35 poison = 87 (might have miscounted)

Legendaries and mythics Kattmmander one-shots:
86 holy/shadow (being very generous, counting things it has roughly 50:50 chance to kill). This is 86/126 in holy and shadow monsters.

Those numbers are ignoring HG, HP boost and obviously are looking at all monsters which exist rather than just what is in the FL meta.

The numbers pretty much speak for themselves. What’s staggering is how few of the mythics get one-shot by Katt, especially the holy ones.

The difference in practice is of course that Katt becomes a generic sweeper, whereas Glaciaron is dead weight until it finds a target and Unicera is dead weight whenever there isn’t a target (true hit does help extend things when there’s a protector though). So I don’t share this as a clear reason for why Katt shouldn’t have been nerfed, just to put in perspective the “holy AND shadow” compared to other monsters with two killer moves.

[EMI_Eklypz]

jerbo kills all. katt worse than mouse.

[DMG_LUCKDRAGON]

I agree with what you’ve said here, but it is also worth notibg that I don’t feel Glaciarion belongs in the same boat as Kat. If anything, I feel Glace should be treated similar to Padrinorca and change the Instant Toxic Killer to just Swift Toxic Killer and give it a 30 or 50tu. I say this because, having Bloodfury, Glace is considerably more of a threat imo than Katt.

1tu charged Bloodfury so you are 2 monsters down from the very start of the game?? Pretty sure that’s why my beloved Orca was nerfed.

Not to mention Orca also mauls Charybdia… Hmm…

[Coltraz]

@DMG_LUCKDRAGON

Not to mention Orca also mauls Charybdia

Not if boosted

[Killerdog]

@DMG_LUCKDRAGON

1tu charged Bloodfury so you are 2 monsters down from the very start of the game??

That’s only for poison monsters in the FL, which is a pretty narrow selection of monsters. Glaciaron is basically a very hard counter for poison in this case, rather than an oppressive force that’s a problem in the meta

[Myst]

@Killerdog

The difference in practice is of course that Katt becomes a generic sweeper, whereas Glaciaron is dead weight until it finds a target and Unicera is dead weight whenever there isn’t a target (true hit does help extend things when there’s a protector though). So I don’t share this as a clear reason for why Katt shouldn’t have been nerfed, just to put in perspective the “holy AND shadow” compared to other monsters with two killer moves.