@Dev_VKC 关于底层逻辑的冲突，技能是不是需要修改了
Hahaha. @Dev_VKC good job with Van Sith and all the others untargetable types that are going to be breaking PvP now 
Thank you for the feedback.
We are looking into this senario. Our current thought is to change Soulantern’s behavior if Van Sith becomes untargetable.
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Um this isn’t first time brother, when soul missile girl came out (I forget her name), she was literally E tier for pvp. Later she got several buffs now she’s decent
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If anything this monster is overpowered as hell if you play her with monsters that are untargetable! Don’t talk about buffs yet FFS 
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Did we really need a move called “deflower”? 
gonna have fun with deviladus if i hatch for this one.
Also this one just came to me but Captainwhiskers is gonna be dope with this XD.
1st person to use it with a Pupupa is a chad.
Abyssal requiem seems like a really strong move im surprised people aren’t talking about it more.
KD HURRY UP WITH YOUR NOVEL.
A few hours later-
ive been trapped here waiting for the wisdom for 20 mins now.
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He is still typing omg
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@Dev_VKC either Obsybdia’s Ambush gets piercing and void or you remove those from this one. You can’t leave Abyssal Ambush to be such a ■■■■ move and give her such a strong sweeping.
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What intrigues me is how one waifu would deflower another waifu lol. They’re really crazy over there
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Lol kd is currently writing a doctoral thesis on deflower
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I think he’s been at it for over an hour now.
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The negatives:
- Horrible art
- Horrible name for a move “Deflower”.
- Random knockback is pretty much a bad move
- Generically used this turns the battle into a 2v4 for 300s, which sounds terrible.
- No healing herself and because she won’t be possible to target by teammates it’s very hard to heal her. She relies on sticking around and cannot kill enemies before they get a turn so will likely take a lot of chip damage in PvE and otherwise get taken out.
The positives:
- Abyssal requiem is super strong. 100s on the battlefield is very little so you will always find targets. However, you cannot kill newly entered monsters and it’s 100TU so perhaps not on the same level as Charybdia’s sweeping.
- Err… some combo potential??
Here are the ways I can think of to undo the +300s on a teammate:
- Whitetitan entrance
- Backstab a Derangea Azu
- Have overwatch on it, then lava entrance
- Have overwatch on it, scapegoat / disorienting taunt it, then engage it
- Team turn
- Stun counter (if the enemy team stun, or if you use Zeuswyrm’s roar)
- Blossomoji’s timeflower (used beforehand)
Any of those require building around or lining things up, so are probably risky. I imagine that’s not the way to go. Instead we should probably find monsters that we desperately want to stay on the battlefield for a long time or that have lots of passive value and don’t do much with their skills (or at least not for 300s anyway).
Looking through all monsters except for legendaries, here’s what I found…
- Aurodragon/Nephthys would be an easy choice, but are holy so not a possible target.
- Giehretus/Bastia maybe but they already tank.
- Any stun counter, but particularly Sakuralisk is good.
- XYZ-999L/Risu maybe.
- Any rockoid-style monster.
- Lilithia might be okay.
- Cypridrus, Deviladus and Focalforce seem good.
- Any virus dragon maybe?
I think a recurrent theme is one monster of a two-monster combo:
- Soral making a baby bird untargetable so neither can be attacked.
- Jerbo (suito) so neither it or Agent M can be attacked.
- Noircyon after it creates a Spiritwyrm?
- Bronzeshell when you have Harleking on the battlefield.
- A pyramid golem when you have P.G. Obelisk.
- Inuguard, so Komaguard is there with its unbreakable shield and sweeping.
- Sanguinymph/Dracorosa, so Blossomight can hopefully stun all the enemies for the time to pass.
- Chubpoon, it revives if ever stunned and lets Honghua more easily able to sweep.
Most choices feel like I’m trying to minimise the downside rather than actually benefiting from a synergy. Turning the battle into a 2v4 is a recipe for disaster in too many situations.
I would love to hear any genuinely good combos people can think of. I completely understand the Devs’ hesitation with a skill that makes a teammate unable to target but for now I’m sceptical of it working out nicely.
Final conclusion on the Engage+ combos:
I did a lot of research while writing this post. I think the most viable combos look like using it on a stun counter with Zeuswyrm behind or basically bypassing the downside by using it on a random protector like a special rock. Outside of that the combos look too niche or sketchy.
If she had sleep immunity, she might be interesting to combo with OoO because a sleeping teammate will be out of play for 300s anyway.
The thing I hate about the release of this monster is it looks so niche that it’ll probably be buffed or altered in some way and that means if we skip it then we lose our opportunity to obtain it at half price.
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Wasn’t worth the wait tbh… 
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It was worth it for me… I spent an hour in bed, delaying starting on work 
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2nd form looks quite good for a tentacle waifu. 1st and 3rd form not so much.
Oh yeah this is it. If only she was faster.
Me when trying to read and pronounce the name of this monster:
It’s even misspelled in the title of this thread and I don’t blame you at all
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Deflower: “have sex with/deprive someone of virginity“
WHAT WERE THE DEVS THINKING?!?!?!
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Earthquake is also a move that can make it work well
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