Kirina or Plumelisk

There is no way you genuinely believe that is true. Am I the only one seeing this?

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We see, I wouldn’t sweat it though man this is just what he does

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Prove me wrong, because you cant

Tell me what is played in the meta that does one shot second form but does not one shot first form.

Unicera she one shots
Water horse he one shot
Sturgenidas one shots him
Luna one shots him

Those that i see most of the time, so please consider me a noob and tell why he does that second form cant do and justify the extra cost

Double counter strike, the extra 10% protection and the extra baby are definitely a big improvement. Whenever you get a chance to use double counter strike it makes a huge impact on the match.

Persey.

But I do agree that whether Plume is worth the extra cost is questionable. Especially now. The pullback is nice though

This is the exact comment i was expecting,

Double counter strike is barely used, also stealth entrance and shields are very common.as for the babies many times you dont want to summon them and rather use elemental shield, to cycle through your monster and not set yourself up for stun

So it all comes down to the 10% extra protection is it worth the 3 cost, in my opinion i dont think so specially after the increase in mythic cost i would rather save it for another mythic

In the case of this guy, if asked would you rather have an awaked plume and a second form kirnia or an awakened kirnia and second form plume

The choose for me is simple

She does not one shot a boosted second form

No not boosted. I didn’t realise that’s what you meant.

It’s all situational. You don’t get to always use Double Counter Strike, you don’t always want to summon the babies, but those options when the right opportunity presents itself make a huge impact. Trying to kill the 3 birds using their shields when you don’t have a capable monster will put you in a very difficult position.
If I could go back and have the choice to awaken or not my Plume, I would still do it, no question.

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Look at the video from @IBERIAN and it clearly shows why second form is better option for protection, and why its better for value

and why? I would wake him up again, it’s better

Oh no, a monster gets one-shot so it’s clearly F tier.

Seriously, double counter strike is enormously powerful and getting through a Plumesilisk when you don’t have a way to critical it is a huge pain. If there are low TU sweepers behind it you are going to be in a very difficult spot. It adds no killer weaknesses to the team so there are many matchups where it won’t get one-shots easily at the start.

If you have Soral, plume all the way.

I want to recommend Kirina, because sweeper is always a priority over support for new or intermediate players.

but the one who created this thread is vn hunter. As far as I know, you already have lots of sweepers, maybe plume is better.

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Plum all the way. kirina is replaceable and plum protects from xyz at fl too.

Tanks a bundam if boosted lol

We are comparing to second form why are you bringing no killer weakness both have no killer weakness, and what that has to do with the tier list

Both can tank a bundam if boosted, and both die if bundam goes attack mode.

And if you are facing bundam you really should be winning that match up if you are using mythics. So ask yourself is it worth awaking just to block a bundam attack

you asked i pointed it out. and i am talking about terminator form bundam. second form aint tanking that no matter how hard you twist and turn the reality you have dug for yourself

I am pretty sure it does tank it if terminator mode is not active and am pretty sure both die if active.

And in your case i could say arborgias is the best monster he can one shot anything, be for real and look at what top players are playing. No top player is running bundam at the top level, in 9/10 games he barely provides something that second form doesnt