Pfft
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@NoelLemon2 @IBERIAN @IronFist Stop with the drama please. Further posts, like these, not contributing to the discussion here about Elfin Dragons will be removed.
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Here it is shown who the real problem is. That was in that game. And in a previous game it happened to me twice, I couldnāt do anything with Cyclopina.For those who say ED is fine and Cyclopina is broken. And that wasnāt a top-tier player. Some, as weāve seen here in some screenshots shared by other players, combine ED Spam with Awakenings and itās extremely difficult to beat them.
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Also, I canāt create a team thinking only that Iām going to face Kaiser, thatās absurd. I have to think of something that no matter what team I face, Iām going to fight. For that reason Iām trying different things to see which ones can give me the best results.
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You guys need to understand that a strat having some counters doesnāt inherently mean that itās not brokenā¦
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Thatās my problem with Keiser. Itās so easily countered by a token entrance that makes top players keep playing their same teams while this guy terrorizes lower levels but this was the case before too.
This screenshot does show an important aspect of why ED setup is problematicā¦ they donāt really have many killer weaknesses, plus also can hide behind Plumesilisk (which also doesnāt have killer weaknesses).
Traditionally, strong monsters/mechanics are kept in check by having killer weaknesses then we have high speed monsters with those killer moves. Hereās a team with 7 different killer moves but none of them can critical. And as we all know, the E.D. setup only needs to start getting turns then it sweeps through a team super fast. When it can easily leave killer monsters alive it makes the battle very easy to win.
I really like that we have a strong setup like the Elfin Dragons. I just wish more counters existed for it and I donāt like the un-targetable mechanic.
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You can target it if you try really hard so just kill it 
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You are so biased. We can clearly see you are against kaizer but support nyx. They should nerf both kaizer and nyx for balance.
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I removed your earlier posts about Nyx and I havenāt mentioned it once. Please use this thread for E.D. discussion.
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From the many chats here, those who are pro Kaiser know that Kaiser is Op. They know that Kaiser &EDās itself has its own āwin conditionā. They mostly question here, why should we think about the new ED Kaiser which has just been released, why donāt we nerf other Op monsters ? in this thread they compare it with āNyxā whose existence is older than ED Kaiser.
the final answer is definitely āNyx is myth, myth is only natural if the op. is different from Legend and a bunch of regular SE.ā
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They already buff some monster to Counter ED. from expensive one like Deus ex to cheap one like Gnashjaw . It just ED can answer those problem.
If I was given just one chance to nerf Keiser without nerfing other EDs. Iāll choose Remover ā Sleep killer (Or another killer move that cannot respond to Gravity such Payback killer/stun killer etc).
but yeahā¦Iām not the one who can manage it all.
Removing gravity killer move would terrorise Keiser users ! Best Nerf ever
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Itās been proven that throwing āweakā counters to counter strong strategies is not effective, this is not the first time this has happened. Letās think about Sturgeonidas, a strong monster against something strong. ED either needs to be balanced and have a counter that really stops them. I donāt think removing the untouchable is the best, it would become easy prey for counters like XY. As I said before, one of the best alternatives in my opinion is to remove the 30 seconds they gain when switching in. Iām not a ED user, but I donāt want it to be nerfed to the point of becoming unusable either.
It could also be removing the untouchable and giving it camouflage and hard shell. These are alternatives that I consider viable for future balance without the strategy dying.
I also donāt like ed spam but itās the only thing that keeps nyx in check.
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Elfin Surge is my problem with Eds
Itāll take another 3 ranks for the devs to realize how broken EDs areā¦ it hasnāt been enough yet. I suppose theyāre doing it consciously, but what I donāt understand is why they would imbalance the game like that. Thereās only one effective counter, Deus X And if there is no protector, neither is Deus X since it could be destroyed by some ED or another monster. Gravity fields donāt work, plus the monsters are pretty lackluster, and there arenāt any competitive gravity fields. Iām quite disappointed with this situation, and itās sad to see whatās happening with EDs in this game.
I just hope they release something really effective before the rank, a new mythic really competent to neutralize the ED
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Yeah gravity field is too much of a soft counter because Keiser literally has remover. Deus X does it better, I think thatās a more legitimate counter but itās a mythic so not very accessible.
Time freeze is also a soft counter. There arenāt too many monsters with that though and itās probably not enough to counter it.
Iāve tried using Bastia but what Iāve noticed is Keiser users often have something like Arbustodon that can immediately kill/remove my Bastia then they do their sweeping without any issue.
This is something Iāve seen happen a lot over the years where the Devs design a powerful strategy and there are counters which exist but because there are free slots on the personās team they can use them to handle the counters, making the strategy stronger than intended.
Garden fairies are designed better because youāre encouraged to play lots of them together. However, F.D. Maeve was a great example of this problem, where players used it with only one other FD in the FL then things like Kanna and a protector. Changing the SS to require 3+ FDs was a good way to weaken the strategy I think.
So in a similar way, I think a Keiser nerf to make it un-targetable with a harder condition like needing 3+ EDs on the battlefield or 2+ and one next in line reduces the flexibility of these teams and makes them more open to being countered (e.g. these would make token disruption a much better counter). That, and/or more hard counters existing to keep the teams in check so itās still a strong team but thereās a serious risk of it failing.
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The question is that the vast majority see that keizer needs to be balanced, the question is how many more qualifying rankings are necessary for the devs to realize this? I think they have realized what is happening with Keizer, I think something will come out soon to counteract it, otherwise I donāt understand the delay.
keizer problems,
1- His SS along with his ability to not be targeted
2- the ED entries are so fast
By polishing both points a little, everything would be solved and the EDs would continue to work well. simply that keizer cannot be targeted if there are at least 2 or 3 EDs on the field, that the entry of the EDs is only increased by 10 seconds , anda/or him SS needs to be changed, put some more conditions