# Update Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters\ **Created:** [November 21, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210 "2018-11-21T12:36:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mr.X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/mr.x/32/20447_2.png) [@Mr.X](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Mr.X)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/1 "2018-11-21T12:36:03Z")
Nova: i totally thing tu reduction was totally unnecessary from 60 to 50. Holding ground was a good choice. Personally: i think timestrike should be changed to chrono killer and raw bloodthirst to bloodfury. Santa: got really great passives i think he would he be top tier right now. I would say A+ to nearly S. Tinker: good buffs but he would still be a bunch warmer as dusc is very common and will eat those boxs and heal. Malwing: we all saw it coming i still think hes top tier and the nerf wount change anything. (Cylo exit plan cries in the corner) All other monsters are just buff and it wount change anything in the current meta ---
**Author:** ![Unown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/unown/32/82733_2.png) [@Unown](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Unown)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 12:52pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/2 "2018-11-21T12:52:50Z")
If you pull 1 stun wave with a +9 nova now you can put 2-3 aoe’s without the enemy getting turn and that will probably kill the whole lineup. I don’t think monster with such low tu should be able to hide behind protectors. Saint buff is nice, making it finally usable again after a long time > [@Mr.X](#): > > Cylo exit plan cries in the corner At least cry is free ---
**Author:** ![Mr.X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/mr.x/32/20447_2.png) [@Mr.X](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Mr.X)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:13pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/3 "2018-11-21T13:13:45Z")
+9 on low tu move is a waste of legendary potions, as the reduction is very low, the only other reason to pot them is for speed. If am not mistaken tu will reduce from 50 to 48. And casting 3 aoes + stun will literally drain all his health pool. While something like black peng gyo can do it in a insta. As for cylo if you pot him you cant use exit plan untill you do 3 moves or skip which actually nerfs him. In either case cry is free ---
**Author:** ![Unown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/unown/32/82733_2.png) [@Unown](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Unown)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/4 "2018-11-21T13:17:57Z")
reduces it to 42. > [@Mr.X](#): > > As for cylo if you pot him you cant use exit plan untill you do 3 moves or skip IF used in fl. It doesn’t need to be used in fl ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:26pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/5 "2018-11-21T13:26:32Z")
Did Nova get Hold ground? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/mr.x/32/20447_2.png) [@Mr.X](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Mr.X)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/6 "2018-11-21T13:28:48Z")
The same concept goes for burn ---
**Author:** ![Mr.X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/mr.x/32/20447_2.png) [@Mr.X](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Mr.X)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/7 "2018-11-21T13:29:15Z")
Yes he did ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/8 "2018-11-21T13:29:44Z")
That’s pretty powerful. Wow ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/9 "2018-11-21T13:31:37Z")
Where can I read about all the changes? Couldn’t find anything in the news section of the game ---
**Author:** ![Mr.X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/mr.x/32/20447_2.png) [@Mr.X](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Mr.X)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:33pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/10 "2018-11-21T13:33:03Z")
Update the game first ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/11 "2018-11-21T13:48:03Z")
Hold ground does make sense for Nova. The TU reduction is insane. Nova will be amazing in an assisted FL. @Xyzencross 👆 This guy gonna be laughing his A$$ off. ---
**Author:** ![Phantom00](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/phantom00/32/34461_2.png) [@Phantom00](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Phantom00)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/12 "2018-11-21T13:49:18Z")
I’m happy that Gaiarymid got a nice little boost. ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/13 "2018-11-21T13:49:19Z")
Where the heck is Nulls buff? Give that fragile girl hold ground or even shield entrance. I can dream at least… ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyDluffy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/monkeydluffy/32/69431_2.png) [@MonkeyDluffy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/MonkeyDluffy)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/14 "2018-11-21T13:50:57Z")
Keep dreaming. ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/15 "2018-11-21T13:51:13Z")
Kiss my A… 😹 ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/16 "2018-11-21T13:53:50Z")
Well at least your dreams came true. You happy with the fat santa now? ---
**Author:** ![Unown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/unown/32/82733_2.png) [@Unown](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Unown)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/17 "2018-11-21T13:56:16Z")
Wow monster bodyshaming 😱 Shame on you ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:57pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/18 "2018-11-21T13:57:47Z")
Saint is ugly as well. I hope it’s feelings aren’t hurt ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyDluffy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/monkeydluffy/32/69431_2.png) [@MonkeyDluffy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/MonkeyDluffy)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/19 "2018-11-21T14:04:06Z")
It was not a dream but a precise method to achieve something. Call it ugly but it’s still good looking then null . 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210/20 "2018-11-21T14:05:15Z")
At least Null is a girl. Well kinda… [Next page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/update-discussion/16210.md?page=2)