# TomDeCarton Nerf Patch **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters\ **Created:** [June 1, 2023, 2:31am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035 "2023-06-01T02:31:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Guardian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/guardian/32/83772_2.png) [@Guardian](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Guardian)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 3:31pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/21 "2023-06-01T15:31:01Z")
Where can I find this screen in game ---
**Author:** ![ItsSherlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d6d6ee/32.png) [@ItsSherlock](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ItsSherlock)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 4:41pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/22 "2023-06-01T16:41:56Z")
Just in here before KD calls it a good update šŸ˜‚ ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 5:21pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/23 "2023-06-01T17:21:32Z")
People have a problem with it? ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 5:27pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/24 "2023-06-01T17:27:09Z")
In all seriousness though, not too sure about the Nyx change (instant sendback + sleep immunity seems a bit dangerous, un-counterable effects I never like) and the Redybug nerf is maybe necessary but is too extreme. The other stuff looks good. Enlist TU change makes me wonder if thereā€™s more enlist / synergy for it coming up. Itā€™s nice to finally have the fix to the way unwanted entrance passives workā€¦ weā€™ve wanted that for the whole duration of the game haha. > [@kabylian](#): > > there is a dozen of stun lockers doing literraly the same thing as tondeuse but they arent nerfed at all , stun lock still slapping hard giving small possibility of a ceomeback and its an awefull strategy giving awefull experienece There is so much good stun protection available now! It shouldnā€™t be causing you much trouble. People who build for stun lock will either win with stun lock or lose. So if itā€™s a popular strategy then yes youā€™ll meet it lots and sometimes lose to it but if you keep winning against it maybe it will eventually drop out of popularity. ---
**Author:** ![NMEduck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmeduck/32/32018_2.png) [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/25 "2023-06-01T17:39:40Z")
> [@Killerdog](#): > > There is so much good stun protection available now! heheā€¦ looks like someone hasnā€™t seen the new restriction list yet šŸ™ƒ ---
**Author:** ![kabylian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kabylian/32/49574_2.png) [@kabylian](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/kabylian)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/26 "2023-06-01T18:38:53Z")
Tondeuse also sometimes loose and sometimes win , and there is bastia agianst his token entrances, so why is he the only one being nerfed ? If you can understand what im saying : for me its approximately the same thing , two strategies giving a lock and litteraly no chance of comeback (maybe a small one ) , one people says its normal amd should be tolerated in the game the second people says it should be nerfed šŸ¤”šŸ¤” where is the fair part here ---
**Author:** ![Iroh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e9a140/32.png) [@Iroh](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Iroh)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 6:57pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/27 "2023-06-01T18:57:12Z")
doing all these balance changes for 1 player is not the right way to do things IMO. also dont kill redybug thanks ---
**Author:** ![Exu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/exu/32/62314_2.png) [@Exu](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Exu)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:15pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/28 "2023-06-01T19:15:19Z")
Yeah, wtf was that Redybug nerf. Was looking forward to using it in my full lizard team. ---
**Author:** ![GMagic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/gmagic/32/51920_2.png) [@GMagic](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/GMagic)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/29 "2023-06-01T19:43:40Z")
It basically nerfed ophidiator too. Not cool. Instead of bringing Mechydra up to Ophi, they said hold my beer, weā€™ll just make Ophi worse. (Pretty sure they both were released at the same time) ---
**Author:** ![Unholy\_Prem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/unholy_prem/32/81598_2.png) [@Unholy\_Prem](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Unholy_Prem)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 7:50pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/30 "2023-06-01T19:50:18Z")
Yup , they seriously did a ver bad job with redybug tht poison revenge is so bad , even remove duo attack ---
**Author:** ![Unholy\_Prem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/unholy_prem/32/81598_2.png) [@Unholy\_Prem](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Unholy_Prem)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 8:00pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/31 "2023-06-01T20:00:35Z")
Ps Devā€™s also need to change their restriction list rotation . Ban entire tokens - Wilhelmina free and vice-versa. Same is happening with pos Myst (hope it not comes back) nd sui orca . ---
**Author:** ![INA-Archer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ina-archer/32/37741_2.png) [@INA-Archer](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/INA-Archer)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2023, 10:36am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/32 "2023-06-02T10:36:11Z")
> [@kabylian](#): > > i hopr you put the same eneegy to shutdown stun lockers as you doing to nerf 1 player because i have Ɨ10 chance meeting stun locker than meeting tondeuse in pvp U know i found this funny, 2020/2021 when I was still new player. I m think that novadrake with cybereon or husking is nasty and easily overpowered many player. Because that time (before Shrine and shiny spectrofox) only few player that have good stun protection. When I try to speak up , they said "I just bad at team building, and play novadrake with stun lock is not easy " Today, many player have good stun absorber or stun protection , but still annoying to faced. I donā€™t think Dev Will respond this isue Its already old isue in Neo. ---
**Author:** ![kabylian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kabylian/32/49574_2.png) [@kabylian](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/kabylian)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2023, 11:37am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/33 "2023-06-02T11:37:01Z")
Yes sadly it will awlays stay , im not complaining because i get stunned i always run a good stun protection and rarely get stunned , still i think any strategy that allow 1 side play and a win with a small chance of comeback should be shutdown ---
**Author:** ![EMI\_Eklypz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/emi_eklypz/32/35841_2.png) [@EMI\_Eklypz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/EMI_Eklypz)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2023, 5:14pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/34 "2023-06-02T17:14:43Z")
NYX changes - unnecessary change to fermata. SS change makes a mediocre Mythic much too overpowered. i hope these changes are reverted as soon as everyone starts spamming unbeatable rainbow snek teams with the titans. Redybug Change - Way to go killing another fun to use monster completely devs - off to join the club with the stun pulse \> timestrike monsters in the ā€œunusableā€ category. Gnashjaw change - How many Gnashjaw buffs is it gonna take before they make the shiny version playable? good buff for him tho. Dues ex - good buff, still wont get used particularly much but now it cant just be ignored for a whole battle. the non-token-tokens - seems necessary to give them a way to remove themselves tbh. its what people have been asking for. not sure about removing megawave from moogong though. When is "Devious Attack"s TU going to be made playable? ---
**Author:** ![ToNdEuSEnCaRtOn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/tondeusencarton/32/48281_2.png) [@ToNdEuSEnCaRtOn](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ToNdEuSEnCaRtOn)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/35 "2023-06-02T19:49:07Z")
I agree with that next rules my team just wont be restricted and everything that counter it willšŸ™ƒ ---
**Author:** ![ToNdEuSEnCaRtOn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/tondeusencarton/32/48281_2.png) [@ToNdEuSEnCaRtOn](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ToNdEuSEnCaRtOn)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2023, 7:52pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/36 "2023-06-02T19:52:56Z")
Yeah see tokens spam need some monsters to attack or survive. Need too build something strong and may not seem like it but you need too play smart. With stun lock all you need is your first stun entrence too hit and you are set. ---
**Author:** ![Knight356](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4da419/32.png) [@Knight356](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Knight356)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/37 "2023-08-24T20:58:12Z")
Na men XD ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 8:57pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/tomdecarton-nerf-patch/44035/38 "2023-08-25T20:57:40Z")
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