# Thoughts on PvP meta **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters General Discussions\ **Created:** [August 13, 2022, 10:16am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158 "2022-08-13T10:16:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 10:16am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/1 "2022-08-13T10:16:16Z")
Hi guys, So I had the chance for the first time since I am back to see what’s going on in PvP, and I was horrified to see the abuse of entrances that is going on right now. Is not stun the problem Is not sleep Is not roaring entrance The problem is actually the abuse of sendback moves on monsters with a powerful entrance. I came up with a solution resulting in a enormous nerf for SE, Legendaries and Mythics. EVERY entrance passive will be automatically UNMOVABLE. So monsters with entrance like Kaerukenshi will lose unmovable like a separate skill (as this will be included in the entrance) and gain another skill, same for Lemon unmovable will be fused with entrances and will gain another passive. Malwing will lose blowback, Sober will lose divine rebirth and so on… I know this will represent a big change, probably the biggest, but is for the health of this game. Is absolutely unacceptable what is going on now. ---
**Author:** ![LemonSqueezy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/lemonsqueezy/32/17699_2.png) [@LemonSqueezy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/LemonSqueezy)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 11:05am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/2 "2022-08-13T11:05:20Z")
> [@DonT89](#): > > Is not stun the problem This post lost credibility the moment you wrote this 😂 ---
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 11:07am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/3 "2022-08-13T11:07:45Z")
Do you have a problem with active stun moves? Like stun wave or stun flash? ---
**Author:** ![LemonSqueezy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/lemonsqueezy/32/17699_2.png) [@LemonSqueezy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/LemonSqueezy)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 11:09am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/4 "2022-08-13T11:09:04Z")
No not so much. But they can certainly add to the problem and keep the lock going. Anyway, I don’t want to detract from your post talking about stun 😊 It’s an interesting idea for sure all jokes aside. ---
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 11:10am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/5 "2022-08-13T11:10:38Z")
> [@LemonSqueezy](#): > > It’s an interesting idea for sure all jokes aside. Is the only solution to stop people abusing, as you said in your old post, creativity should not be penalised to add immunes everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 11:13am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/6 "2022-08-13T11:13:51Z")
I remember back in time when I did fight for Canishogun underdog to be nerfed because was too fast and was penalising creativity in frontline, right now I feel the same, I feel this really cut off from PvP some very good monsters that have the “unluck” not to be immune. ---
**Author:** ![LemonSqueezy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/lemonsqueezy/32/17699_2.png) [@LemonSqueezy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/LemonSqueezy)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 11:14am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/7 "2022-08-13T11:14:19Z")
It’s a great idea. It will reduce abuse, but not stop it completely unfortunately ---
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 11:18am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/8 "2022-08-13T11:18:48Z")
> [@LemonSqueezy](#): > > It will reduce abuse, but not stop it completely unfortunately Reducing the abuse is a very good start. People will eventually give up when the 80 TU lock does not get backed up by another immediate entrance. ---
**Author:** ![DMGInterference](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dmginterference/32/50532_2.png) [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 12:33pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/9 "2022-08-13T12:33:19Z")
> [@DonT89](#): > > EVERY entrance passive will be automatically UNMOVABLE. I don’t think all of them deserve that! There are some which have a great effect (Trick or Treat, Tranquilizing, Tidal, Fairy’s Dust, Shocking, Shield All etc.) but some should actually be encouraged to be multiple-use. For example, Lava Entrance purely serves as an immediate counter to Sleep lock, Stealth/Shields and Mark, not as a way to take control of a match. Summon/Twin/Triple Entrance has no effect on the opponent’s team, and just gives fodder to your team. Same for Healing Entrance or (regular) Shield Entrance. ---
**Author:** ![squinty1880](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@squinty1880](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/squinty1880)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 12:57pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/10 "2022-08-13T12:57:28Z")
> [@DonT89](#): > > So I had the chance for the first time since I am back to see what’s going on in PvP I was wondering why it gave such a low amount of RP when I beat you yesterday. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/e/5/e52eef38bd47b8e18b0d1a4fc642e824693a99f0.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![squinty1880](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@squinty1880](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/squinty1880)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 12:59pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/11 "2022-08-13T12:59:08Z")
Hellfox and Atra say hi. ---
**Author:** ![LemonSqueezy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/lemonsqueezy/32/17699_2.png) [@LemonSqueezy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/LemonSqueezy)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 1:08pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/12 "2022-08-13T13:08:50Z")
Exactly. Also Angel ---
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/13 "2022-08-13T14:27:30Z")
I didn’t play ranked for a year or more is natural you are not gonna get 1000+ points. Anyway gg, I was wandering who was that guy with so much awoken stuff, and I didn’t remember at all Exocross, I should have attacked you to take off your mark but I didn’t, silly me 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![squinty1880](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@squinty1880](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/squinty1880)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 2:43pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/14 "2022-08-13T14:43:06Z")
> [@DonT89](#): > > I didn’t play ranked for a year or more is natural you are not gonna get 1000+ points. It should be based off of what RP you gave when you last played instead of having it decreased. It’s not like you did any worse than before. ---
**Author:** ![NMEduck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmeduck/32/32018_2.png) [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 2:45pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/15 "2022-08-13T14:45:39Z")
I’m pretty sure he’d be giving a lot more RP if it left off from when he was actively playing pvp. It probably reset sort of like what happened with Bouncy ---
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 3:27pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/16 "2022-08-13T15:27:22Z")
Yes it resets after a while you don’t play ranked. ---
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/17 "2022-08-13T15:30:16Z")
![Screenshot_2022-08-13-16-28-43-746_com.pockettrend.neomonsters](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/b/a/badcc7b1624aa655a135deac5a19fb4ac18aba48.jpeg) That’s my data for the moment, as you can see there is nothing recorded previously to this PvP, encept how many times I made it in top 10/50 ---
**Author:** ![Dane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dane/32/38931_2.png) [@Dane](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Dane)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/18 "2022-08-13T18:18:34Z")
> [@DonT89](#): > > The problem is actually the abuse of sendback moves on monsters with a powerful entrance. I do this all the time with jackolene ---
**Author:** ![Gentle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/gentle/32/55121_2.png) [@Gentle](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Gentle)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 8:04pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/19 "2022-08-13T20:04:05Z")
> [@DMGInterference](#): > > Tranquilizing, Tidal, Fairy’s Dust, Shocking, Shield All etc u better edit this and add jackolene or god help me me and u gonna have a long debate in the dms ---
**Author:** ![kabylian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kabylian/32/49574_2.png) [@kabylian](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/kabylian)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158/20 "2022-08-13T21:06:16Z")
You think about all the community, while all the old players who has and spam those entrances , they are having great moments in pvp will just ignore this or say they are against it [Next page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/thoughts-on-pvp-meta/40158.md?page=2)