# This guy needs a buff
**URL:** https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435
**Category:** Neo Monsters
**Created:** [October 1, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435 "2021-10-01T16:28:55Z")
**Posts on this page:** 14
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### Author:  [@LemonSqueezy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/LemonSqueezy)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435/1 "2021-10-01T16:28:55Z")
It’s sleep immunity suggests working with OoO but it no longer fits it all that well.
Since the change to sleep, monsters are set back by 50 secs making timestrike useless now in a OoO setting. Before, the Passive meant that timestrike did considerable damage.
The only things left are
Sleep killer - too situational. If they have sleep, chances are you’re immune anyway
Elemental massacre - Let’s wake everyone up.
Time strike - as per my point above.
Bloodfury is obviously great.
Personally I’d like to see him get some love. Obviously Zhulong too, but VKC keeps pretending he can’t hear me 😅
Suggestions are to change Timestrike and Sleep killer - but to what? I would say Cannibalise token but probably too strong with bloodfury.
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### Author:  [@Rctuga](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Rctuga)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435/2 "2021-10-01T17:05:39Z")
Zhulong is more in need of a buff 👍 but This guy needs a buff for sure rexo the same thing
He should get backstab insteqd of sudden death and rexo should get cannibalise
Sudden death its just a meme move to he honest
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### Author:  [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2021, 5:12pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435/3 "2021-10-01T17:12:33Z")
Agreed! This monster has one of the downright coolest designs in this whole game, but it’s a less powerful version of Rexotyrant that happens to be kinda viable in Whale’s Treasure.
I would think the only monsters more in need of a buff are Dragaia and the Godfeather, but the Devs have already spoken…
I have two possible suggestions for Kamishogun:
_1) Make it a full Sleep counter monster_
**Element Massacre**
**Timestrike**
**Nightwatch**
**Bloodfury**
**SS: Instant Purify All**
**Sleep Immunity**
**Fighting Spirit**
_2) Make it a death machine, like its design shows_
**Element Massacre**
**LINK Bloodfury**
**Timestrike Double**
**Sleep Killer**
**SS: LINK Deathstroke**
**Fighting Spirit**
**Deep Wounds** : the enemies hit by this monster cannot heal until they’re on the field.
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### Author:  [@NMEGaryOak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEGaryOak)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2021, 7:19pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435/4 "2021-10-01T19:19:58Z")
He’s a samurai so he should have that move that the knock off naruto frog has where he sacrifices himself for a team turn
Also, rexotyrant should get cannibalize because he’s a damn t rex
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### Author:  [@Gentle](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Gentle)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2021, 11:35pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435/5 "2021-10-01T23:35:03Z")
Buff throw. The dmg scaling sucks
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### Author:  [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2021, 12:40am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435/6 "2021-10-02T00:40:37Z")
There are only three top tier throw monsters that stand above the rest and I happen to be one of the few to own each one. Tbh I think throw is in a pretty good spot right now 🦆
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### Author:  [@Gentle](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Gentle)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2021, 1:23am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435/7 "2021-10-02T01:23:26Z")
those 3 u talk about stand above the rest cause their skills are broken/Op/exceptional
in terms of dmg, throw scaling dmg sucks
dont lie
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### Author:  [@NM\_DEVIL](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NM_DEVIL)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2021, 2:19am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435/8 "2021-10-02T02:19:43Z")
bro the design of this guys symboize true power but he is too weak agree with you he need a big buff bcs sudden death always kill him by himself
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### Author:  [@raWen](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/raWen)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2021, 2:49am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435/9 "2021-10-02T02:49:06Z")
What about a deodragon buff
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### Author:  [@RogerRoger](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/RogerRoger)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2021, 3:03am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435/10 "2021-10-02T03:03:07Z")
Buff emeraldont too please
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### Author:  [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2021, 7:18am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435/12 "2021-10-02T07:18:57Z")
Tbh Deodragon was buffed recently but he received one of the most useless buff since Nebelronix’s Secret Skill.
How is Grit supposed to benefit a monster that can rapidly heal himself? Which doesn’t have Gold Ground, moreover? Fighting Spirit would’ve been a better choice (even if in that case, it would’ve been OP)
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### Author:  [@RIOK](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/RIOK)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2021, 11:58am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435/13 "2021-10-02T11:58:59Z")
Just imagine a 99 speed mon coming to do a full team wipe
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### Author:  [@AS\_Lusscy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/AS_Lusscy)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2021, 12:21pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435/14 "2021-10-02T12:21:15Z")
Speed= %75-%99
Timestrike Double
Defang
Assasinate
Nightwatch
Ss= Rebirth without this skill and go random spot in reinforcment.
Passives=
Frenzy
Samurai’s Honor = If this monster failed at killing an enemy it instantly dies.
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### Author:  [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/this-guy-needs-a-buff/35435/15 "2021-10-02T14:19:23Z")
Exactly, it would be OP. As long as it has Instant Charge they can’t give it to Deo