# THE FORUM RULES HAVE CHANGED **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters\ **Created:** [December 18, 2021, 8:02pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783 "2021-12-18T20:02:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Professor\_Oak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/professor_oak/32/25565_2.png) [@Professor\_Oak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Professor_Oak)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2021, 4:23am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/41 "2021-12-20T04:23:46Z")
> [@Forum Rules](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/forum-rules/47/1): > > 4.1 - Warnings, suspensions and banning. > > - 4.1.1 - Minor offences will typically result in a post edit or removal and/or a polite public comment by a moderator, but may extend to an official warning message. > - 4.1.2 - Repeated or major offences will typically be met by an official warning, possibly suspension. If the warnings are not respected or there is no change in behaviour a suspension will be issued. > - 4.1.3 - The length of a suspension will be at the discretion of the moderator taking action. Typically, if a user simply needs removing from a discussion then it will last a few days. If it’s as a result of more general behaviour it will be for a longer period. > - 4.1.4 - If a user has received multiple suspensions then the lengths of future suspensions will be increased and a final warning may be issued, resulting in a ban if they commit another offence. > - 4.1.5 - Bans will not be considered lightly. They will only be issued to prolific offenders or users who show no sign of responding positively to any action, hence are uncontrollable negative contributors to the community. > - 4.1.6 - Users will not be banned without at least one official warning, unless the violation is very extreme (e.g. terror threats) or the account is clearly a spam bot. > - 4.1.7 - For users who are suspended for more than a week or permanently banned, they may choose to contest the action if they feel it is unjustified. This is done by contacting a different moderator or ZigZaGame staff to plead their case. The situation will be reviewed by all moderators and a mutual decision given. > - 4.1.8 - If moderators are involved in any heated discussions / arguments while talking as normal users they cannot take moderator action against anyone they’re arguing against without approval of another moderator (who is not part of the discussion). Not a criticism but just an observation . This entire section could have been written in one line " All penalties will be at the discretion of moderators " . END ! cos thats all it is intending to convey in a tangled manner . And im okay with moderators having such power as long as there is a way to discuss it openly in a thread or somethng dedicated to it. ---
**Author:** ![GMagic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/gmagic/32/51920_2.png) [@GMagic](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/GMagic)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2021, 1:42pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/42 "2021-12-20T13:42:18Z")
I felt this was written in a way that looks like we’re trying to stifle opposition to suspensions made at mod discretion. I voiced that concern, but was told the primary reason for the rule was to avoid people “piling on” when someone gets suspended. While a valid concern, I think it’s more important for there to be transparency in the process rather than an absolute ban on public discussion. People can and will “pile on” to anything. It’s more valuable to everyone to see WHY a ban happened, for a multitude of reasons. Just my thoughts. I think the discussion here is good so far, with great points being made on both sides of the issues. ---
**Author:** ![ItsSherlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d6d6ee/32.png) [@ItsSherlock](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ItsSherlock)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/43 "2021-12-20T14:37:33Z")
> [@Professor\_Oak](#): > > Not a criticism but just an observation . This entire section could have been written in one line > " All penalties will be at the discretion of moderators " . END ! cos thats all it is intending to convey in a tangled manner . Thank you for bringing that up because its a good example of how these new rules benefit the users and limit the power of mods. „All penalties will be at the discretion of moderators“ was the way things were handled before and it was widely criticized as arbitrary and giving moderators unlimited powers while opening up the door for double standards. The new rules now also limit the power of moderators. They are especially important for future generations of moderators because they make sure that even if a moderators isn’t suited to do the job very well, his options for abuse of power are limited. > [@Professor\_Oak](#): > > Also on the part where it says donot discuss suspension publicly , i’d say thats not the right direction . > > Atleast , you guys can make a separate thread where suspensions are discussed exclusively . Thats exactly why we have created the @ComplaintOfficer. I will give you my word if we receive official complaints about that rule we will go back to discussing and reviewing it. So far nobody has filed an official complaint. ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/44 "2021-12-20T15:44:59Z")
> [@Professor\_Oak](#): > > Not a criticism but just an observation . This entire section could have been written in one line > " All penalties will be at the discretion of moderators " . END ! cos thats all it is intending to convey in a tangled manner . To back up what Guesswhosback said, section 4 is almost entirely about transparency to forum members about what actions moderators will take. 4.1 goes through all the levels of offences/actions to explain when they will be applied. I agree it’s a lot, but it’s something which a lot of people have wanted made properly explained in the past. In terms of what it does… it works both ways. Moderators cannot scale things up to punish individuals too excessively. However, forum members have a weaker case to dispute actions taken if the moderator is following procedure. ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_Oak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/professor_oak/32/25565_2.png) [@Professor\_Oak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Professor_Oak)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2021, 4:02pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/45 "2021-12-20T16:02:30Z")
I’m glad to know we share similar opinion on this matter . i’ll open a complaint on these 2 concerns like guesswhosback asked me to . I’m sure this time, the discussion between the mods will be more diverse since a lot of good points have been put out here by the community . P.s: I bet complaint officer idea was given by someone kinky IRL and i like it haha ---
**Author:** ![ItsSherlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d6d6ee/32.png) [@ItsSherlock](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ItsSherlock)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/46 "2021-12-20T17:17:16Z")
I have created a transparency thread for all filed complaints. Every complaint will be made public + we will will also update on the status and give a short explanation for why we accepted or denied the request. > [@Filed Complaints against Forum Rules transparency Thread.](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/filed-complaints-against-forum-rules-transparency-thread/36796): > > Complaint A1, 12/20/21: Complaint filed against: Rules 1.5 and 2.5. Request: Rule change Status: Finished Update: Discussion finished. Ongoing Vote. Result to be published within 24 hours. Result: Complaint allowed. Rules 1.5 and 2.5 will be changed. Number of Complaints filed against the mentioned Rules in total: 1 ---
**Author:** ![GMagic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/gmagic/32/51920_2.png) [@GMagic](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/GMagic)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/47 "2021-12-20T17:21:53Z")
This is awesome and I love it! ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2021, 12:18am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/48 "2021-12-21T00:18:15Z")
@TNCxXchaosxXf2p I’ve made a small update to the forum rules to link the “about page” of the forum which lists the moderators and staff members. This is done at the top of the rules and in 4.2.1, where the staff members were already listed. ---
**Author:** ![TNCxXchaosxXf2p](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/tncxxchaosxxf2p/32/34687_2.png) [@TNCxXchaosxXf2p](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNCxXchaosxXf2p)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2021, 12:59am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/49 "2021-12-21T00:59:59Z")
I’m lovin 'it ---
**Author:** ![CognitiveDissonance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/cognitivedissonance/32/35496_2.png) [@CognitiveDissonance](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/CognitiveDissonance)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2021, 1:30am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/50 "2021-12-21T01:30:14Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/4/9/49993517a7530da195e463ed16317abf35d1790b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![ItsSherlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d6d6ee/32.png) [@ItsSherlock](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ItsSherlock)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2021, 1:55am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/51 "2021-12-21T01:55:08Z")
Huh? Ah lol nvm ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2021, 6:00pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/52 "2021-12-21T18:00:21Z")
Both 1.5 and 2.5 have been reviewed by the moderators. We’ve re-written them to be clearer about what they’re tackling and easier to read. We are also trialing a thread for public discussion of moderator action. Here are the new rules… > [@](#): > > 1.5 - We suggest that private communication with other forum users remains private. Publicly sharing these private messages with bad intentions may require moderator involvement, when appropriate. > [@](#): > > 2.5 - If a moderator takes any action against you (e.g. suspensions, official warnings, etc.), we ask you to not create a public discussion about it. The appropriate action is to talk with moderators about it privately to resolve any issues. If you feel strongly that the action was incorrect, you may escalate it to an official contestation if it qualifies under rule 4.1.7. > > - 2.5.1 - In the interest of transparency, a thread (here) has been created for discussion of moderator action. You may write in this thread if you feel strongly an action against you was incorrect and that it must be known in public. Public discussion of this type is not allowed in any other thread. Please be aware that the other forum rules still apply in this thread and we hope you instead sort things privately with the moderators. ---
**Author:** ![NMEGaryOak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmegaryoak/32/20469_2.png) [@NMEGaryOak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEGaryOak)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/53 "2021-12-21T18:56:31Z")
> [@Killerdog](#): > > 1.5 - We suggest that private communication with other forum users remains private. Publicly sharing these private messages with bad intentions may require moderator involvement, when appropriate. “with bad intentions” is too subjective in that context imo ---
**Author:** ![TNCxXchaosxXf2p](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/tncxxchaosxxf2p/32/34687_2.png) [@TNCxXchaosxXf2p](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNCxXchaosxXf2p)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/54 "2021-12-21T23:42:16Z")
> [@NMEGaryOak](#): > > con malas intenciones well yes, actually I could say for personal purposes and not really necessary and they don’t serve as real grounds for a formal complaint ---
**Author:** ![GMagic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/gmagic/32/51920_2.png) [@GMagic](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/GMagic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2021, 11:49pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/55 "2021-12-21T23:49:56Z")
The bad intentions part will be discussed among the mods and voted on before any action is taken! And of course we will be transparent throughout the process, should anybody ever cross that line. For definitions sake, “bad intentions” is definitely more than just teasing somebody. It’s essentially “when whatever is said could actually harm somebody.” An example of “bad intentions” is sending a screen shot where someone is sharing personal information. We’ve got some youngsters in the forum that may not understand that they can be exploited online by sharing information that is too personal. We’re aiming to stop that kind of thing under “bad intentions.” Hope this helps! I’m happy to answer any other questions! ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_Oak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/professor_oak/32/25565_2.png) [@Professor\_Oak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Professor_Oak)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/56 "2021-12-22T18:32:39Z")
Glad to see things are getting disciplined after so many years . Hope the system gets better and better . Good luck to you all mods ! ---
**Author:** ![NMEGaryOak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmegaryoak/32/20469_2.png) [@NMEGaryOak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEGaryOak)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 7:48pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/57 "2021-12-22T19:48:41Z")
> [@Professor\_Oak](#): > > Glad to see things are getting disciplined after so many years . Are you off your meds again gramps? ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_Oak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/professor_oak/32/25565_2.png) [@Professor\_Oak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Professor_Oak)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 7:50pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/58 "2021-12-22T19:50:57Z")
Shhhh grandson , rules are strict now . Let’s lay under the radar for a while ---
**Author:** ![ItsSherlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d6d6ee/32.png) [@ItsSherlock](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ItsSherlock)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/59 "2021-12-22T21:51:17Z")
> [@The moderator action discussion Thread.](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-moderator-action-discussion-thread/36819): > > As announced with recent the rule Changes, this is the place to discuss about moderator decisions. Please note: Us moderators agreed that this is an experiment. We will review this thread after a while. So if you want to keep this, all you have to do is follow a few simple rules: 1.) Any excessive Criticism of moderator action happens in this thread. This does not mean you’re not allowed to disagree with mods in other threads but as stated in the rules Any longer discussion has to take place … Here is the promised thread. ---
**Author:** ![NoelLemon2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/noellemon2/32/76166_2.png) [@NoelLemon2](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NoelLemon2)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 2:04am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783/60 "2021-12-23T02:04:17Z")
I think it was always disciplined. We are taking this forum for granted but ask any discord or reddit forum and the mods there are RUTHLESS. Things are just becoming more transparent and that is pretty cool of them to do (they could’ve easily not do that). [Previous page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783.md?page=2) [Next page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/the-forum-rules-have-changed/36783.md?page=4)