# Stop zypharamus from killing targets without any condition at that speed 😡 **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters\ **Created:** [January 24, 2025, 2:41pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220 "2025-01-24T14:41:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kabylian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kabylian/32/49574_2.png) [@kabylian](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/kabylian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:41pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/1 "2025-01-24T14:41:35Z")
This mythic a is a complete abomination , he can kill double target at 66 % speed with piercing moves without any condition , even if you don’t use anything weak to his moves , he just killed a mythic water mythic (with a really high defence ) and a ■■■■■■■ boosted geoceron without any restrictions, lower his speed damn it or lower those ■■■■■■■ buffs 😡😡😡 , neo is about strategy lately it became so dumb , imagine I use nightwatch and kill 2 targets while the oponent don’t even use any sleep monster it’s completely a power creep level and it’s killing all the fun and good things this game had , otherwise bring back the old auralus nauticruiser charge combo because it’s literally the same thing (high speed piercing dual targets ) ---
**Author:** ![Myst](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/myst/32/80869_2.png) [@Myst](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Myst)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:44pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/2 "2025-01-24T14:44:52Z")
You are making yourself fool only. Do they listen to u? They only look 💰💰. There are many broken things in game rn. Look at albion how broken it is. This was fine when it was released but now they made broken just after the release so to earn more 💰💰. Gl for ur campaign. ---
**Author:** ![kabylian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kabylian/32/49574_2.png) [@kabylian](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/kabylian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:56pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/3 "2025-01-24T14:56:49Z")
Soon only those 🐳 will play between them pvp , how many people lost already interest because of that ---
**Author:** ![VNchaohunter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/vnchaohunter/32/7575_2.png) [@VNchaohunter](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/VNchaohunter)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:15pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/4 "2025-01-24T15:15:54Z")
This season in pvp rank I’m sick of meeting Zypha + Cw / Zypha + Jocodragon, Megalon and Scar continuously. For me Cw is not a big problem. but it was Zypha with speed 66 that destroyed 2 of my monsters, destroying my strategy before I could touch the Cw. ---
**Author:** ![Rctuga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/rctuga/32/56460_2.png) [@Rctuga](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Rctuga)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:20pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/5 "2025-01-24T15:20:40Z")
I dont play ranked pvp for about 3 seasons already Its not fun anymore The game was amazing back then now its just CR#P ---
**Author:** ![Exu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/exu/32/62314_2.png) [@Exu](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Exu)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:21pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/6 "2025-01-24T15:21:26Z")
> [@Myst](#): > > This was fine when it was released but now they made broken just after the release Albion was terrible when it was released, basically the only usable move was the SS and all the other parts of the moveset were RNG trash. Also guys, we can talk about Zephyramus without mentioning the spending status of people! ---
**Author:** ![kabylian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kabylian/32/49574_2.png) [@kabylian](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/kabylian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:25pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/7 "2025-01-24T15:25:40Z")
That’s the problem with him that speed is really high for such piercing moves , at least they must lower his speed around 50 ---
**Author:** ![IBERIAN](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/iberian/32/61021_2.png) [@IBERIAN](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/IBERIAN)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:26pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/8 "2025-01-24T15:26:20Z")
We all know this, and no one does anything, now with CW it is completely disgusting and boring ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:53pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/9 "2025-01-24T21:53:39Z")
> [@kabylian](#): > > he just killed a mythic water mythic (with a really high defence ) His attacks ignore defence 🤦‍♂️ How many SEs did he have as teammates? The one-shotting is only guaranteed on high HP monsters (mythics or HP boosted) if there are 3 SEs and even then it’s not guaranteed on the really high HP stuff. I personally think it’s a fair bonus for running all SEs. If the person decides to run 1-2 SEs and something else that’s powerful then they risk not being able to one-shot what they want to. ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:59pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/10 "2025-01-24T21:59:50Z")
You have to bring examples of which monsters (hp boosted or not) it cannot dream ender without meeting any condition for it to be critical. Other players finally woke up to how unbalanced it is, because of how popular Zephyramus is this rank season. ---
**Author:** ![PurpleHeart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/purpleheart/32/68705_2.png) [@PurpleHeart](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/PurpleHeart)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:02pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/11 "2025-01-24T22:02:58Z")
rhine eirlys nophiam with DCS 2 super epics but thats just barly and for refrence eirlys is the the monster with the third most HP in neo to date so if she not tanking 3 super epics wile hp boosted KD is simply lying to you unless his example is bastia and somehow the 9 exstra HP she has mattered ---
**Author:** ![kabylian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kabylian/32/49574_2.png) [@kabylian](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/kabylian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:13pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/12 "2025-01-24T22:13:16Z")
> [@Killerdog](#): > > How many SEs did he have as teammates That’s the ■■■■■■■ problem only 2 they don’t even have to use 3 , it’s so strong that only 2 are enough ---
**Author:** ![NoelLemon2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/noellemon2/32/76166_2.png) [@NoelLemon2](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NoelLemon2)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:39pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/13 "2025-01-24T22:39:07Z")
Pretty sure with 3 SEs I have seen Zephy deal 6.8-8k damage while 2 SEs deal around 5.5k damage sometimes less, sometimes more. > [@Coltraz](#): > > it cannot dream ender without meeting any condition for it to be critical This is not the problem lol I said this before and I’ll say it again: this monster has a condition and if it meets it, it deals double piercing to anything (if all SEs are dead, those moves become even more conditional but yes there is a point for them to be dream ender/thunder seal, it’s not “kill anything move”). What we should be talking about is him being able to kill any two targets at 66%. (we should also talk about Berry being able to do the same thing too in the FL when she is not meant for FL) ---
**Author:** ![IBERIAN](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/iberian/32/61021_2.png) [@IBERIAN](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/IBERIAN)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:44pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/14 "2025-01-24T22:44:08Z")
Do you think it is not very powerful to have two CWs with hp boost and calamitas? you don’t understand that zephiramus is not based on what accompanies you are SE is that with a fl of a very low cost you do so much damage that it is impossible to recover from it, since you normally reduce the cost so much that your ending of awakened mythics ends with whatever, zephiramus is being used that way, with the increased cost of mythics this strategy is dominant, zephiramus should base his power not only on the FL but on the rest of the team That would be fair, it is a monster made for players who do not have a large number of mythics, but it is being used by whales from what I have told you before, for example if you have 2 mythics on the team Zephiramus should have a lot of power, If you have 14 mythics on the team it should NOT work, this is a more realistic approach to the concept why Zephiramus was created ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:46pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/15 "2025-01-24T22:46:36Z")
Berry is another talk. Double Demoralize on a high speed mythic with no battle tu restriction. Obviously people would start to use her in frontline and sweep two targets first turn. We got so many double sweepers with high speed. Carmillette, Zephyr, Berry, new Galv and the list goes on. Once again they failed at the speed game and we are back to whose frontline is faster. Last month it was CW spam back to back, this month is Zephyr + Serazael + anything. ---
**Author:** ![AFK\_LAVA](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/afk_lava/32/73063_2.png) [@AFK\_LAVA](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/AFK_LAVA)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 1:07am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/16 "2025-01-25T01:07:22Z")
I agree with you Kaby @kabylian This monster may be number 1 on the most broken list, I won’t go into the ridiculous details of its attack skills, Kaby has explained it enough, it is a ridiculous attack skill that can kill even if it does not meet the condition, I want to talk about its speed and the maximum precautions that can be taken. The 66 speed given to this is such a ridiculous speed that you cannot place a monster that can be taken against it, for example, ldie is slow compared to it, prixis is fast, and other mons like this. I am counting the few monsters in the huge neo monster list that can be killed without using that attack, Dark CW SE guy, prixis(instant mark) mantiferno combo, maybe christine oust skill.Are there any other options? I can’t think of them right now, but even if there are, only 1 or 2 can be added. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![CQ4\_SHEROX](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/cq4_sherox/32/59512_2.png) [@CQ4\_SHEROX](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/CQ4_SHEROX)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 8:18am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/17 "2025-01-25T08:18:12Z")
As a zephy user and c.w. calamatis fl. This sasoin i have to say mine didnt one shot two legendarys ore mithics without any conditions . Sometimes he didnt one shot a mon with mighty slash . But yes im really to bring it in the right way if he didnt have a target for his movest . But the only way is to switch his passive which give him attack boost for a 5\* mon on his side . But i think its not zephy who is the big problem , its the c.w. clan which protect him a little and give him attack boost . Im afraid to see what happend in the next updates . Perhaps nothing like every time if a lot will nerf a mithic 😅 But i can say there a easy counters for this fl.s Lose today 5 out of 12 matches against Prixis , manti , fls. ---
**Author:** ![kabylian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kabylian/32/49574_2.png) [@kabylian](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/kabylian)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 8:59am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/18 "2025-01-25T08:59:52Z")
Prixis instant mark can be blocked by cw taunt 😅 also the cw boss who gains shield and the taunt is activated just with 1 cw super epic isn’t. Fine they should make that condition 2 ---
**Author:** ![INA-Archer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ina-archer/32/37741_2.png) [@INA-Archer](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/INA-Archer)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 9:42am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/19 "2025-01-25T09:42:47Z")
How could prixis lose focus when fighting Cw. Even the fastest CW speed is only 79. > [@kabylian](#): > > That’s the ■■■■■■■ problem only 2 they don’t even have to use 3 , it’s so strong that only 2 are enough I also don’t believe this can happen, it takes 3SE for Ohko myth using Double Counterslash, especially with a speed of 60% or below. And you definitely won’t do Ohko boosted myth without a target if you only use 2 SE. ![Screenshot_20250125-165346](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/a/8/a80fc3226eeb937635f9a9f5914dd1911a3b17cd.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![kabylian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kabylian/32/49574_2.png) [@kabylian](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/kabylian)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 9:58am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220/20 "2025-01-25T09:58:12Z")
> [@INA-Archer](#): > > How could prixis lose focus when fighting Cw. Even the fastest CW speed is only 79. By using a higher speed monster like unicera just yesterday I met [Next page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/stop-zypharamus-from-killing-targets-without-any-condition-at-that-speed/58220.md?page=2)