# Should dolphins nerf?
**URL:** https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226
**Category:** Neo Monsters
**Created:** [January 24, 2022, 12:05pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226 "2022-01-24T12:05:45Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@TNCGodZeus](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNCGodZeus)
#### Post date: [January 24, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/22 "2022-01-24T17:42:13Z")
That’s the real problem, the rest is fine.
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### Author:  [@TNCGodZeus](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNCGodZeus)
#### Post date: [January 24, 2022, 5:45pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/23 "2022-01-24T17:45:57Z")
Neomonsters is releasing the myths. We need legendaries that can kill myths so we can compete against them. Dolphins can fight them due to the attack boost and that’s great.now the defensive boost is broken and should be nerfed along with the defensive boost and Poseidon’s turn, I have no problem making it 70 TU but give it a restriction from the start of the battle to get him out of the fl
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### Author:  [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)
#### Post date: [January 24, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/24 "2022-01-24T17:48:16Z")
> [@IronFist](#):
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> for example alphastorm kills dolfreeze with fast rage in one attack and almost kills dolphoenix and dolphone and it’s just super epic.
Thank god!! Alphastorm is standard attack + elemental advantage + high damage move (Fast Fury deals critical damage even on Wilhelmina, which is standard def), it would be a catastrophe if failed to oneshot!
> [@TNCGodZeus](#):
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> It is a sociable and cooperative animal and usually lives in a community, with hierarchies and some specific tasks. Hunting together is part of the behavior of dolphins.
That is true man, but dolphin are also known for being rapists AND bullies, it wouldn’t surprise me if they were also racists (and therefore couldn’t tolerate too many dolphins of different elements on the field).
Also from a gameplay perspective, it would be nice to have an archetype that doesn’t encourage cramming monsters together, rather one that encourage placing them more strategically.
That’s also the reason why I suggested varying the Bond passive effects
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### Author:  [@TNCGodZeus](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNCGodZeus)
#### Post date: [January 24, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/25 "2022-01-24T17:52:19Z")
I like the idea that there are families of monsters, groups of races and stuff, they just look cute. If we look closely and look carefully the speed of the dolphins is not a problem,there are enough monsters that manage to attack him first but fail to kill them due to his broken defense boost
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### Author:  [@TNCGodZeus](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNCGodZeus)
#### Post date: [January 24, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/26 "2022-01-24T17:55:04Z")
It’s also worth noting that Jungleflipper needs to be checked carefully because he relies totally on defensive and attack boost to get a turn and also to sweep, I’d say the should be kept as is
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### Author:  [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)
#### Post date: [January 24, 2022, 6:06pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/27 "2022-01-24T18:06:21Z")
> [@TNCGodZeus](#):
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> they just look cute
but they’re actually racist 💀
Ok I’m just kidding but yeah I agree on Jungleflipper. When bonded, it’s just too good, Stun Immunity + tremendous defence + 6000 RAW Catapult damage. It doesn’t need all that defence
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### Author:  [@TNCxXchaosxXf2p](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNCxXchaosxXf2p)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2022, 1:28am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/28 "2022-01-25T01:28:33Z")
totally agree
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### Author:  [@IronFist](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/IronFist)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2022, 11:27am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/29 "2022-01-25T11:27:12Z")
Congrats you came top again but I have to point something out, you ask for nerf to dolphins and AS Poseidon but you just said the only problem with ally charge strategy is Its speed, you are a user of that strategy and a nerf would not suit you, but to be impartial if they are going to nerf the dolphins, they should also do it with AS Poseidon and a fast load of ally, I think it’s the fairest thing to do.
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### Author:  [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2022, 12:33pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/30 "2022-01-25T12:33:14Z")
To be fair, he isn’t even using auraleus which is what most players used because of the two piercing kills you get right off the bat
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### Author:  [@ItsSherlock](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ItsSherlock)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2022, 1:21pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/31 "2022-01-25T13:21:01Z")
That’s a non nerf:
Situation now: Phreeze, Flipper, Phoenix, Phoone on the Field. All stat buffed, all stun immune.
Situation after your nerf: Phreeze, Flipper, Phoenix, Phoone on the Field. All stat buffed, all stun immune.
Simply put another dolph like spectrophin behind and killing dolphreeze wouldn’t matter. The def buff is the problem. The def buff has to go.
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### Author:  [@Aeronomatron](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Aeronomatron)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2022, 1:36pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/32 "2022-01-25T13:36:13Z")
That’s what I’m saying, make them just mythic killers, not mythic killers and mythic tanks too
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### Author:  [@TNCGodZeus](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNCGodZeus)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2022, 2:42pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/33 "2022-01-25T14:42:33Z")
Friend . Just in my humble opinion. I know that the allied charge is Fast but it is not as dominated when you use Koala, I think that people are complaining more about the mythical for the double perforation to so much high speed. Anyway, if I don’t talk about it here, it’s because in my opinion it’s not broken, it’s true that it gives away two kills early but then it’s very easy to have them if you have a shot of decent decisions. Thanks for the congratulations
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### Author:  [@TNCGodZeus](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNCGodZeus)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2022, 2:45pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/34 "2022-01-25T14:45:09Z")
Better explained impossible, Also add that auraleus gives me Chrono weakness to the fl that would make it less reliable
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### Author:  [@Herr\_Loki](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Herr_Loki)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2022, 2:52pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/35 "2022-01-25T14:52:27Z")
If they remove the defense buff from the dolphins, they won’t even hold the first speed of a fan
I don’t understand why they are so focused on the dolphins
If we start to think here are two top 1 with Poseídon (@Arkile and me)
How many top 1 with dolphins? Exactly, nobody
How many top 10 with dolphin? Yes are 2-3 guys,but how is top 2,3,4,5? Poseidon and myth spam
Dolphins not have a strategy,just put together and they play good
With Poseidon are a million of strategies (Poison/Retribution/Myst + AP spam and others but I don’t wanna be so specific) All are good
Personally for me will poseidon is more difficult than dolphins,if they don’t do counter to u, practically nothing to do
I am a dolphin user(I haven’t even gotten a top 10),but remember that before dolphins i was a Poseidon user(got top 1 and many top 10) so in my opinion Poseidon deserves more the nerf that dolphins,not are so much good but for me Poseidon is the real pain and I don’t telling this because I use dolphins or for Poseidon countered my team(doesn’t) i tell this because I use both and i know who is the real GOD
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### Author:  [@CUBANxNEO](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/CUBANxNEO)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2022, 2:58pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/36 "2022-01-25T14:58:03Z")
XD, it will always be the same, if they put Suikenshi, Jaguardian, Delugazar, the dark whale of stealth, assassin and double fast attack, and Spectrefox Shiny, in a maximum probability package, the next month they will have to weaken the abilities of these monsters , like making Jaguardian’s mist only activate 100 seconds after the start of the battle. The point is that they don’t put so many monsters that are combined in the same festival, or else stop calling them limited edition monsters, because everyone would already have them, disgusting.
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### Author:  [@Herr\_Loki](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Herr_Loki)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2022, 3:04pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/37 "2022-01-25T15:04:05Z")
> [@CUBANxNEO](#):
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> no pongan tantos monstruos que se combinen en un mismo festival,
This.
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### Author:  [@Aeronomatron](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Aeronomatron)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/38 "2022-01-25T15:13:40Z")
> [@Herr\_Loki](#):
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> If they remove the defense buff from the dolphins, they won’t even hold the first speed of a fan
That makes zero sense, there are literally dozens of other units that make the FL just fine without a def boost, so why do the dolphins so desperately need the def boost to be useful?
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### Author:  [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2022, 3:15pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/39 "2022-01-25T15:15:31Z")
> [@ItsSherlock](#):
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> Situation now: Phreeze, Flipper, Phoenix, Phoone on the Field. All stat buffed, all stun immune.
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> Situation after your nerf: Phreeze, Flipper, Phoenix, Phoone on the Field. All stat buffed, all stun immune.
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> Simply put another dolph like spectrophin behind and killing dolphreeze wouldn’t matter. The def buff is the problem. The def buff has to go.
Dolphreeze would have stun immunity but not a stat buff. That FL would also be terrible because they wouldn’t create any rocks.
Generally speaking, the idea is not to kill it. It’s just to make it take a bit more effort to get the buff and easier to remove to disable them (you only need to kill the unbuffed ones).
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### Author:  [@Herr\_Loki](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Herr_Loki)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2022, 4:28pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/40 "2022-01-25T16:28:36Z")
> [@Aeronomatron](#):
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> Eso no tiene ningún sentido, hay literalmente docenas de otras unidades que hacen que el FL esté bien sin un aumento de definición, entonces, ¿por qué los delfines necesitan tan desesperadamente que el aumento de definición sea útil?
It is a Cuban saying, it seems that you did not understand, in Spanish it sounds better
Tienes que aprender amigo
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### Author:  [@CUBANxNEO](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/CUBANxNEO)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/should-dolphins-nerf/37226/41 "2022-01-25T18:37:02Z")
Let me guess, you don’t use dolphins 😏
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