# SE for tweaking **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters General Discussions\ **Created:** [February 12, 2019, 3:31am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478 "2019-02-12T03:31:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rctuga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/rctuga/32/56460_2.png) [@Rctuga](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Rctuga)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 3:31am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/1 "2019-02-12T03:31:54Z")
Hi guys i made this topic to talk about all those forgoten SE and talk about possible buffs/tweaks My personal choices feel free to complain 1-cryogolen (change protect teammates to taunt—purify instead of gigasplash) 2-snowhulk (add death revenge and tweak regenerate passive to have 15% chance to revive next in line) 3- flutter rose (change Sleep killer to crave or thirsty to be less dependent of poison gas…buff is pair move damage) 4- flutter daffodil ( give him fury or poison immun…change is pair move to pair stealth all 70sec) 5-nighthunter (give him assisted aoe) 6-caniswyrm (element retribution changed to KBR…stealth teammate changed to purifying stealth 1 monster…add shield entrance 7-sanguinymph (change switch friend for ultimate sacrifice 8-lunalord( clone next to blood clone next 9-saberdragon ( give him fury ) 10-balanceon (stealth changed to stealth teammate) 11-reapolantern (life flip enemy 50sec…raw crave…speed boost to 50%) 12- inuguard(switch friend for stun burst/bomb) 13-hiberzor (add passive self sleep immun…sweet dreams wakes up and heals Reduce speed to 80) 14-virrabit ( add passive glitch entrance --instant gain turn and overwatch no weakness to chrono killer…heal all changed to purifying heal all… 15- rattlewyrm ( aoe changed to counter strike…timestrike to raw crave…poison revenge to poison immun 16- devilborg (add sleep immun…summon minions to link summon minions 160sec) 17- guardtoten (healing light tu reduces from 200 to 130…speed boost to 40%… 18-moltempede (zealous for poison touch…desperate strike for poisoned desperate bite…add hg Toughs? ---
**Author:** ![NMEGaryOak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmegaryoak/32/20469_2.png) [@NMEGaryOak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEGaryOak)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 4:42am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/2 "2019-02-12T04:42:05Z")
Death revenge + Regenerate on snowhulk? HELL YEAH BROTHER! ---
**Author:** ![LemonSqueezy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/lemonsqueezy/32/17699_2.png) [@LemonSqueezy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/LemonSqueezy)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 8:11am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/3 "2019-02-12T08:11:15Z")
😂😂😂 ---
**Author:** ![Laxtankk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/laxtankk/32/12497_2.png) [@Laxtankk](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Laxtankk)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 11:36am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/4 "2019-02-12T11:36:08Z")
whilst reading this, i knew gary would comment about the death revenge one 😂😂😂 ---
**Author:** ![Unown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/unown/32/82733_2.png) [@Unown](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Unown)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 11:47am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/5 "2019-02-12T11:47:55Z")
> [@Rctuga](#): > > 15- rattlewyrm ( aoe changed to counter strike…timestrike to raw crave…poison revenge to poison immun You know shadow types don’t have any disadvantage types, so this would be completely useless. No holy type wouldn’t be their counterstrike targets ---
**Author:** ![Rctuga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/rctuga/32/56460_2.png) [@Rctuga](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Rctuga)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/6 "2019-02-12T13:57:29Z")
Hahahah you totally right 😂 my bad @NMEGaryOak i know it you would love that sujestion i made it just for ya ---
**Author:** ![Mr.X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/mr.x/32/20447_2.png) [@Mr.X](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Mr.X)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 2:35pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/7 "2019-02-12T14:35:39Z")
More death revenge hell yeah. I just wish ppl be more like gary so void becomes viable ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_Oak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/professor_oak/32/25565_2.png) [@Professor\_Oak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Professor_Oak)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/8 "2019-02-12T14:45:27Z")
See . Ur end is here Gary. When will u give up and move into common meta ---
**Author:** ![Laxtankk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/laxtankk/32/12497_2.png) [@Laxtankk](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Laxtankk)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/9 "2019-02-12T16:20:43Z")
who wants to play meta when original is 10x more fun 🤨🤔 ---
**Author:** ![KLF\_LE0NARD0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/klf_le0nard0/32/25708_2.png) [@KLF\_LE0NARD0](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/KLF_LE0NARD0)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/10 "2019-02-12T16:51:14Z")
What the hell 😂😂😂 ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_Oak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/professor_oak/32/25565_2.png) [@Professor\_Oak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Professor_Oak)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/11 "2019-02-12T16:55:50Z")
But there aren’t any original teams in this or last PvP. Same old OoO , galv+timestrikers , retribution or gyo frontlines. With Gary, originality is approaching their end. ---
**Author:** ![NMEGaryOak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmegaryoak/32/20469_2.png) [@NMEGaryOak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEGaryOak)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/12 "2019-02-12T17:24:36Z")
I didn’t give up against your BB spam and it worked out pretty well for me Gramps 😉 Maybe try running a bunch of SEs with HG next time @Professor_Oak ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_Oak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/professor_oak/32/25565_2.png) [@Professor\_Oak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Professor_Oak)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/13 "2019-02-12T17:37:00Z")
Says the DR spammer. I shud probably run Avia more! Oh wait, that SE is the beginning of ur end! 😋 PS: I’m never gonna hear the end of that DR saving you , am I ! I was one RNG away from giving u a forever depressing defeat 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Laxtankk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/laxtankk/32/12497_2.png) [@Laxtankk](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Laxtankk)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/14 "2019-02-12T19:43:39Z")
just wait till i get a few more throwers again 😂 ---
**Author:** ![NMEGaryOak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmegaryoak/32/20469_2.png) [@NMEGaryOak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEGaryOak)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/15 "2019-02-12T22:40:25Z")
I might seemed excited about that DR+Regenerate Snowhulk Idea, but I was even more excited to click into this topic when I initially misread the subject as “SE for Twerking” ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/16 "2019-02-13T18:59:42Z")
I love almost all those suggestions! Only tweaks I’d make: 7 - **Sanguinymph** , Make the ultimate sacrifice be 100s bomb instead. Having it available on the first turn is not good because of the 54% speed. The idea is to sacrifice it once the other fairies are gone, so a time restriction won’t change it. 8 - **Lunalord** , Rather than buffing the clone move I think it should simply change ultrathunder into adverse strike. 10 - **Balanceon** , Make stealth be stealth all. Stealth teammate would be fine but I think it deserves being even more supportive. 11 - **Reapolantern** , Taken a bit too far I think. Make lifeflip enemy 100TU, SOLO bloodcrave and speed I’m not sure but maybe it could be increased to 50% as you say. 13 - **Hiberzor** , No need to reduce the speed to 80 I don’t think. Just do the buffs you say. 14 - **Virabbit** , I like the idea here but I would say glitchy entrance should be 50:50 chance for applying overwatch when it enters or instantly granting it a turn. So add that passive and make heal all purifying heal all. 15 - **Rattlewyrm** , Change poison revenge to poison immune, as you say, but make stealth be raw stealth (50TU) and timestrike be raw bloodthirst (100TU). 16 - **Devilborg** , As you say but link summon minions is 100TU. ---
**Author:** ![xWarlordx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/xwarlordx/32/8034_2.png) [@xWarlordx](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/xWarlordx)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 2:52am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/17 "2019-02-14T02:52:29Z")
There are still a few original teams out there they just hard to come by. There are still a few rebels who defy the meta 🙌 ---
**Author:** ![Aeronomatron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/aeronomatron/32/19427_2.png) [@Aeronomatron](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Aeronomatron)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 2:57am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/se-for-tweaking/17478/18 "2019-02-14T02:57:59Z")
Hm i like to think my team is quite original. Although i sacrifice some wins to use a team i like using rather than the one that has a higher win percentage