# Pvp Tier System is unfair **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters\ **Created:** [December 10, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455 "2018-12-10T23:29:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![measy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/measy/32/11391_2.png) [@measy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/measy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/1 "2018-12-10T23:29:05Z")
In the current pvp i Met just insane strong enemies. Im developing my team since a few months now… its ok to lose every there and then… but this Time its pointless to try to get some wins. I can change my team or switch around some monsters and i have done that several times now… I will lose regardless cause i only face op enemies… and i have’nt any stun Converter or so much limited legendaries like the other ones. I play link dark frontline with nova and nox and use my 206 teamcost as good as i can so far… Why cant we just meet some random opponents so there is a fair chance to face someone i Can deal with? If i lose in this case sometimes to stronger ones thats ok for me… Why im so high in this strange tier rating when i cant stand a chance to that enemies? The reason for this rating is to face similar opponents, thats ok for me. But if i lose every time then their teams are just better than mine i would say… its annoying ![Screenshot_20181210-235859_Neo%20Monsters](https://cdck-file-uploads-us1.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/2X/2/2268e6937d04313f18745af85bd2fc32507051ca.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 1:15am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/2 "2018-12-11T01:15:59Z")
I’m really sorry to hear how you’ve been having such a bad PvP experience. I just wanted to mention that I don’t recognise those names as top bracket people, in case you’re worried you’ve been thrown into the top bracket for some reason. It does try to put you with people in a similar league to your own, even if it’s failing with you. ---
**Author:** ![Z19Kiwi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/z19kiwi/32/12079_2.png) [@Z19Kiwi](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Z19Kiwi)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/3 "2018-12-11T01:48:12Z")
Some people may change name when trying out new stuff i think. Also i’m pretty sure brown witch is in the top bracket ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 2:00am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/4 "2018-12-11T02:00:58Z")
Yeah that’s common and I may be wrong but I’ve never met any of those people, including Brown Witch. ---
**Author:** ![NMEGaryOak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmegaryoak/32/20469_2.png) [@NMEGaryOak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEGaryOak)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 2:06am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/5 "2018-12-11T02:06:21Z")
@brown_witch is RAF whaaaaaa ---
**Author:** ![eNjiin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/enjiin/32/17791_2.png) [@eNjiin](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/eNjiin)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/6 "2018-12-11T02:18:13Z")
Just for clarification how matchmaking is working. I asked that 1 month ago and a dev answered it: > [@PvP MMR for 1st and 2nd half](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-mmr-for-1st-and-2nd-half/15999/14): > > There are hidden tiers where players can only go up. Imagine there are 6 leagues, rookie, advanced, elite, expert, master and champion. Players in the rookie league only fight other rookies when PvP starts. Good players advance to the next league. Which means, if you were original master league player and have advanced to champion league, by losing battles on purpose, you can only go down to your placed league (master league). There are also hidden ratings determining who you will match withi… ---
**Author:** ![xWarlordx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/xwarlordx/32/8034_2.png) [@xWarlordx](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/xWarlordx)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/7 "2018-12-11T02:27:26Z")
Trust me theres alot worse players to fight than those players, i speak from experience 😅. Although i do recognise some of those names so youre definitely in the top bracket. ---
**Author:** ![ILAGaLOT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ilagalot/32/19929_2.png) [@ILAGaLOT](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ILAGaLOT)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 2:46am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/8 "2018-12-11T02:46:03Z")
I’m shocked as well ---
**Author:** ![measy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/measy/32/11391_2.png) [@measy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/measy)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 6:10am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/9 "2018-12-11T06:10:14Z")
It would be ok for me to fight to top tier guys like you and its not bad cause i can learn much with that. But losing every Time to stronger enemies does’nt bring me further… Also i cant make my team better. I had team building help and switch around what makes sense but that changes nothing. I will try to get one ocarino for my nox… with this rate that will takes days… and than thats it for me this month. A rating system should be fair for all players. ---
**Author:** ![Xyzencross](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/xyzencross/32/6251_2.png) [@Xyzencross](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Xyzencross)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/10 "2018-12-11T21:04:17Z")
Sorry but brown witch aint top bracket ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/11 "2018-12-12T01:02:53Z")
The matchmaking system does sound a bit flawed. @Dev_VKC mentioned that we can’t go below our default league. I understand this has been put in place to prevent abuse through purposefully losing but there needs to be some flexibility. Fact remains we might become comparitively weaker as time goes by. New monsters get released we get bad luck in egg rolls… We should be able to go down to lower leagues if we keep losing. Otherwise we are batting out of our league. Default leagues should be adjusted according to our current ability not past achievements. With a bit of thought it can be designed this way while still preventing cheating. @measy You don’t need to answer this but where did u finish last PvP? It could play a role. I finished under 300 for the first time, and I still faced StarLord, Teamrocket, Thaiger, Mixxx ect this time around. I doubt I’m in the top league but it seems like sometimes we get faced with top players. ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 2:09am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/12 "2018-12-12T02:09:01Z")
I agree the system is a little flawed with people not going down below a certain amount. However, I imagine it’s quite easy for the Devs to periodically (every 2 months, say) knock everyone down one bracket and set that as their minimum. ---
**Author:** ![measy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/measy/32/11391_2.png) [@measy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/measy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 2:08pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/13 "2018-12-12T14:08:49Z")
Last 2 pvp’s about 140 and 190 ---
**Author:** ![ILAGaLOT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ilagalot/32/19929_2.png) [@ILAGaLOT](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ILAGaLOT)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/14 "2018-12-12T14:46:52Z")
Maybe you up here cause you keep one punching everyone else ---
**Author:** ![Ashiok](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ashiok/32/11421_2.png) [@Ashiok](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Ashiok)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/15 "2018-12-12T17:13:04Z")
I placed 67 last pvp without op monsters like Ange Deluga stun counters/converters ecc… I Think it isnt so bad if you try hard enough with team building ---
**Author:** ![ishanjin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ishanjin/32/21925_2.png) [@ishanjin](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ishanjin)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/16 "2018-12-12T20:17:29Z")
![Screenshot_20181212-190457_Neo%20Monsters](https://cdck-file-uploads-us1.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/2X/0/07439c3f74041a2153760ef56f5aa8df2dbcc862.jpeg) can you all recognize anyone of them ? ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/17 "2018-12-13T01:45:52Z")
Sounds pretty high to me. Makes sense you are battling strong players. See where you end up at the end this time. ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/18 "2018-12-13T01:51:31Z")
Oh…Soka… ---
**Author:** ![ILAGaLOT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ilagalot/32/19929_2.png) [@ILAGaLOT](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ILAGaLOT)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/19 "2018-12-13T21:52:14Z")
Don’t recognise any of those names ---
**Author:** ![ishanjin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ishanjin/32/21925_2.png) [@ishanjin](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ishanjin)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 9:16am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-tier-system-is-unfair/16455/20 "2018-12-14T09:16:27Z")
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