# pvp balance 3 **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters General Discussions\ **Created:** [June 5, 2021, 11:28am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415 "2021-06-05T11:28:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Anne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/anne/32/18553_2.png) [@Anne](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Anne)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 7:29pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/21 "2021-06-05T19:29:58Z")
Sunflower definitely needs a slight nerf the shell spawn ratio should be reduced to a 50% chance ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 7:44pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/22 "2021-06-05T19:44:41Z")
You are all missing the fact that you need 2 or 3 of them in field to rly say that they are strong, other strong legendary can stand alone and slay… ---
**Author:** ![DMG\_Broly](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dmg_broly/32/35584_2.png) [@DMG\_Broly](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMG_Broly)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 8:22pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/23 "2021-06-05T20:22:17Z")
True , but the bronzshell spawn needs a slight nerf ---
**Author:** ![DMGInterference](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dmginterference/32/50532_2.png) [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/24 "2021-06-05T20:27:59Z")
This is absolutely true for Pieris and Violet, but Sunflower punishes you or leaving her alive, even when she can’t do anything. As a matter of fact, she can’t be deadweight. ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/25 "2021-06-05T21:58:46Z")
> [@DMGInterference](#): > > Violet’s passive destroys Stealth HARD, whih doesn’t deserve such a hard counter… It shouldn’t remove Stealth, imho. It’s literally just like auto-poison in that regard. It’s just a stronger version because it starts on all enemies as soon as Violet hits the battlefield and can’t be purified. However, it does get countered by any instant overwatch, overwatch entrance and auto-overwatch plus it doesn’t enable any particular critical moves unlike poison so it’s not all upside. I reckon it’s fine how it is, especially because the monster it’s on is nothing special. ---
**Author:** ![DMGInterference](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dmginterference/32/50532_2.png) [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/26 "2021-06-05T22:32:06Z")
> [@Killerdog](#): > > and can’t be purified. also, it can’t be countered with Poison Immunity, which is what many monsters with Stealth rely on as of now. To me, it looks like Stealth got trolled again without really a need for it. ---
**Author:** ![Rctuga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/rctuga/32/56460_2.png) [@Rctuga](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Rctuga)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 10:43pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/27 "2021-06-05T22:43:51Z")
Stealth needs a major buff , im asking for this for a year or more 🤕 ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/28 "2021-06-05T22:53:27Z")
> [@DMGInterference](#): > > To me, it looks like Stealth got trolled again without really a need for it. Tbh it’s just one monster. These passives look like they’ll stay unique to these fairies. The truly problematic one is Sunflower with the unwanted aura. It’s way too easy to get value out of that and the monster itself is tanky with a good damage move ---
**Author:** ![DMGInterference](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dmginterference/32/50532_2.png) [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 11:11pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/29 "2021-06-05T23:11:48Z")
Yeah I agree with that, Sunflower is much more of a nuisance than Violet, which is a nice damage dealer with paper-thin defences. ---
**Author:** ![NMEGaryOak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmegaryoak/32/20469_2.png) [@NMEGaryOak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEGaryOak)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 12:52am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/30 "2021-06-06T00:52:36Z")
> [@Rctuga](#): > > Stealth needs a major buff , im asking for this for a year or more Maybe if we buffed stealth people would actually use it!!! Right now you have to be an imbecile to run stealth monsters with all the poison and the new fairy thing running around ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_Oak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/professor_oak/32/25565_2.png) [@Professor\_Oak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Professor_Oak)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 2:55am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/31 "2021-06-06T02:55:40Z")
@LemonSqueezy , Larry here has on opinion about stealth users . ---
**Author:** ![NMEGaryOak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmegaryoak/32/20469_2.png) [@NMEGaryOak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEGaryOak)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 3:04am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/32 "2021-06-06T03:04:14Z")
I said what I said @Professor_Oak ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 3:58am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/33 "2021-06-06T03:58:05Z")
Violet counters shield and stealth, but one mon with overwatch like nox or fokal can ruin your match, and Sunflower at 50% hp can only spawn shells, nothing more ---
**Author:** ![NMEduck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmeduck/32/32018_2.png) [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 4:00am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/34 "2021-06-06T04:00:49Z")
> [@Coltraz](#): > > Sunflower at 50% hp can only spawn shells, nothing more That’s not something you can simply ignore though. You’ll quickly lose control of the match if you ignore sunflower for too long and flood your team with shells. ---
**Author:** ![NMEGaryOak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmegaryoak/32/20469_2.png) [@NMEGaryOak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEGaryOak)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 4:03am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/35 "2021-06-06T04:03:18Z")
They should take harden carapace off of sunflower since GF Healing is such low TU Sunflower doesn’t really have a carapace tbh But I’d be cool if they swapped it for an immunity or something ---
**Author:** ![squinty1880](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@squinty1880](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/squinty1880)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 4:04am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/36 "2021-06-06T04:04:50Z")
Tholid obviously ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 4:08am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/37 "2021-06-06T04:08:40Z")
If they do that using Sunflower alone will be pointless and she won’t even get turn most of the times ---
**Author:** ![NMEGaryOak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmegaryoak/32/20469_2.png) [@NMEGaryOak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEGaryOak)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 4:35am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/38 "2021-06-06T04:35:03Z")
She doesn’t need a turn to make a difference @Coltraz Just run it behind AP Spam ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 5:08am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/39 "2021-06-06T05:08:19Z")
that’s why when you take her passive she becomes deadweight after losing vigor with no skill to use ---
**Author:** ![LemonSqueezy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/lemonsqueezy/32/17699_2.png) [@LemonSqueezy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/LemonSqueezy)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 6:08am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/40 "2021-06-06T06:08:21Z")
Lol Larry’s always tactical in what he says you would be stupid to run. Enemy Ankara’s not good for him 😅 [Previous page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415.md?page=1) [Next page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415.md?page=3)