# pvp balance 3 **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters General Discussions\ **Created:** [June 5, 2021, 11:28am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415 "2021-06-05T11:28:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Laxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/laxus/32/44000_2.png) [@Laxus](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Laxus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 11:28am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/1 "2021-06-05T11:28:14Z")
Today I want to talk about garden elves.unlimited blood and broken sunflowers. I think they need a nerf. ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 1:30pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/2 "2021-06-05T13:30:56Z")
54 speed and you need 2 and fully healed to use most of their skills. What else do you need on them? ---
**Author:** ![Laxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/laxus/32/44000_2.png) [@Laxus](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Laxus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/3 "2021-06-05T14:19:28Z")
Limit the number of restore blood volumeinstead of unlimited, remove the passive defense of sunflower ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/4 "2021-06-05T14:34:35Z")
you are just pissed that there is legendary that normal AOE won’t one shot lol ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/5 "2021-06-05T14:48:10Z")
it shouldn’t even matter since half of DLGZ is running thlugs ---
**Author:** ![NMEduck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmeduck/32/32018_2.png) [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/6 "2021-06-05T14:49:26Z")
I sense a GF sunflower user nearby. ---
**Author:** ![Laxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/laxus/32/44000_2.png) [@Laxus](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Laxus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/7 "2021-06-05T15:09:07Z")
interesting ---
**Author:** ![Laxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/laxus/32/44000_2.png) [@Laxus](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Laxus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 3:11pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/8 "2021-06-05T15:11:07Z")
I really don’t know how you came to the conclusion. It’s really interesting. Let’s get back to the topic ---
**Author:** ![Laxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/laxus/32/44000_2.png) [@Laxus](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Laxus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 3:11pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/9 "2021-06-05T15:11:18Z")
yeah. ---
**Author:** ![East](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/east/32/38211_2.png) [@East](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/East)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/10 "2021-06-05T15:40:57Z")
There’s only one Garden fairy who has defensive passive…so all the other GFs could be killed in one shot…also they are highly dependent on their vigor movesets, as of which limiting the healing move doesn’t make any sense ---
**Author:** ![Dane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dane/32/38931_2.png) [@Dane](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Dane)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 3:55pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/11 "2021-06-05T15:55:23Z")
I don’t think the garden fairies needs a nerf . Maybe raise their speed a bit. I’m loving the gf rose. It’s helps with those hold ground users. Gf peris helps take down that annoying ■■■ bloom ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 3:57pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/12 "2021-06-05T15:57:11Z")
> [@Coltraz](#): > > it shouldn’t even matter since half of DLGZ is running thlugs Let’s not make this a clan issue. Laxus is trying to raise a concern about game balance ---
**Author:** ![Laxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/laxus/32/44000_2.png) [@Laxus](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Laxus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/13 "2021-06-05T16:25:06Z")
1. Recovery skills 60tu unlimited times. this is what I mentioned. I think this is op. 2. Sunflower’s passive is too stable.like the previous shield field. it do not take the risk.And sunflower is very difficult to kill with one hit. This is the problem. if sunflower returns to its normal strength.everything is ok ---
**Author:** ![NMEduck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmeduck/32/32018_2.png) [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/14 "2021-06-05T16:26:42Z")
It’s definitely reminding me of the old dusicyon with ap spam. ---
**Author:** ![DMGInterference](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dmginterference/32/50532_2.png) [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/15 "2021-06-05T16:57:39Z")
Wonderful times ---
**Author:** ![Dane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dane/32/38931_2.png) [@Dane](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Dane)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 5:53pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/16 "2021-06-05T17:53:08Z")
Imagine have to face nova and bloom aroua, shields protection ,stun and hold grounds all the time. It feels refreshing to have them and overpowered those most used monsters ---
**Author:** ![DMG\_Daniel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dmg_daniel/32/39443_2.png) [@DMG\_Daniel](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMG_Daniel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 6:19pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/17 "2021-06-05T18:19:57Z")
G.F. Sunflower brought back AP Spam. I don’t understand why DEVs bring her out and at the same time they nerfed RAW. Maybe they should add an percentage on her passive. 50% or sth. like that. So she would be fine. ---
**Author:** ![DMGInterference](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dmginterference/32/50532_2.png) [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 6:39pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/18 "2021-06-05T18:39:03Z")
I agree, the only G.F. I really find annoying is Sunflower. Pieris is a nice counter monster, nothing too crazy, while Violet is very aggressive but also frail. If I had to change anything, I’d reduce Sunflower’s passive’s activation chance. Also Violet’s passive destroys Stealth HARD, whih doesn’t deserve such a hard counter… It shouldn’t remove Stealth, imho. ---
**Author:** ![Adapting](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/adapting/32/35695_2.png) [@Adapting](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Adapting)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 6:39pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/19 "2021-06-05T18:39:32Z")
Bro they don’t even have hold ground and stun inmune and 54% speed what do you need a nerf, there is other things more op. ---
**Author:** ![NMEduck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmeduck/32/32018_2.png) [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415/20 "2021-06-05T19:04:51Z")
I say they should make unwanted aura have the same chance of summoning a bronzeshell as lunartic’s passive. [Next page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/pvp-balance-3/33415.md?page=2)