# Poison **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters General Discussions\ **Created:** [August 4, 2016, 11:22am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742 "2016-08-04T11:22:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ancrath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f17d59/32.png) [@Ancrath](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Ancrath)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 11:22am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/1 "2016-08-04T11:22:50Z")
Anyone else feel with the new monsters recently poison seems to be getting an unnecessary big push? ---
**Author:** ![Doc\_Brankijam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@Doc\_Brankijam](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Doc_Brankijam)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 11:36am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/2 "2016-08-04T11:36:36Z")
Yeah, same feeling. Against sleep teams, at least you can try to use the twin killers, against stun teams, the stun absorbing protectors can help, but since there is no thing like poison killer, robinator is a big deal for poison teams. Because with his 93 speed he most likely will have the first turn, killing any purifying protector and another monster. From there you have two options. Kill him as fast as possible (if the opponents team is even allowing that) and your team will be poisened, leaving the door wide open for poison eaters and especially poison massacre. Or you leave him on the field, but then you have to live with his bloodcrave. Both options do not sound very sweet. ---
**Author:** ![ILAGaLOT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ilagalot/32/19929_2.png) [@ILAGaLOT](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ILAGaLOT)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 11:41am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/3 "2016-08-04T11:41:20Z")
All this is doing is balancing the meta ---
**Author:** ![Ancrath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f17d59/32.png) [@Ancrath](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Ancrath)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 12:06pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/4 "2016-08-04T12:06:24Z")
> [@Loughlin\\\_Mcallister](#): > > All this is doing is balancing the meta I know your informed of stuff, so I guess the devs believe it. do you think poison was in a bad place pvp wise? The 3 existing legendaries were not to be taken lightly at all. I can only imagine the thinking that sleep was too powerful. But I don’t personally buy that. ---
**Author:** ![ILAGaLOT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ilagalot/32/19929_2.png) [@ILAGaLOT](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ILAGaLOT)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 12:24pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/5 "2016-08-04T12:24:34Z")
Sleep was way to powerful before with the right set up you could not lose and many other teams suffered Poison had always been lack luster and needed support with only 3 of them any good With this boost in poisons we will see more diversity in future pvp And sleep won’t be able to run untouched anymore Each time a certain team is shown to dominate too much they will bring in counters or power up other options At one point stun was the king that’s no longer the case but it’s still viable this will happen to sleep now ---
**Author:** ![Vaelfar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/50afbb/32.png) [@Vaelfar](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Vaelfar)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 12:29pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/6 "2016-08-04T12:29:02Z")
Yeah I think it’s a wise decision to put it more focus on poison. Also I think robinator has been created to counter aegis as he was getting pretty dominant in the starting lineups. This will definitely change people’s lineups and strategies. That’s a good thing! ---
**Author:** ![Ancrath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f17d59/32.png) [@Ancrath](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Ancrath)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 12:33pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/7 "2016-08-04T12:33:30Z")
> [@Loughlin\\\_Mcallister](#): > > Sleep was way to powerful before with the right set up you could not lose and many other teams suffered > Poison had always been lack luster and needed support with only 3 of them any good > With this boost in poisons we will see more diversity in future pvp > And sleep won’t be able to run untouched anymore Poison with the right setup would not be? the only counter to poison is purify and knock back. Sleep is chance based and has purify, hold ground, poison itself, sleep killer. I’ve played too many games where balancing the meta just pushes it to somewhere else. as soon as someone has all the poison monsters they will balance again and again. The devs should give a message on what direction they want this game to take. > [@Vaelfar](#): > > Yeah I think it’s a wise decision to put it more focus on poison. Also I think robinator has been created to counter aegis as he was getting pretty dominant in the starting lineups. This will definitely change people’s lineups and strategies. That’s a good thing! Super epic counter to legendary is not good, overpowering certain things to change line ups is dumb . ---
**Author:** ![ILAGaLOT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ilagalot/32/19929_2.png) [@ILAGaLOT](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ILAGaLOT)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 12:43pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/8 "2016-08-04T12:43:45Z")
I think most of had no idea how good sleep was Kimiyo used sleep and nearly out beat moph on the UC winning matches in 10 mins I also never said posion was bad I use one of the best poison trap teams in this game and I have none of the new guys it just a means not everyone will run sleep so careless now with monsters like bane a threat The death chicken does not counter aegis It only punishes those that abuse it A single monster will not change the meta at all So far we got Poison Sleep Assit Night-night Stun All running very well and non of them dominating over the other ---
**Author:** ![febo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/febo/32/6167_2.png) [@febo](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/febo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 12:45pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/9 "2016-08-04T12:45:21Z")
If you faced hidan in the last PvP event you would know how op sleep is if used well… Once it gets going you loose 100%… It needed some counters. Still I don’t think poison is so hard to beat… Purify is a hard counter and the poison legends are very squishy… ---
**Author:** ![ILAGaLOT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ilagalot/32/19929_2.png) [@ILAGaLOT](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ILAGaLOT)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/10 "2016-08-04T12:50:47Z")
I think the game has way more balance them Pokemon that has the worst meta system the top 20 teams all look the same no difference at all really Same with yugioh all the teams looked the same ---
**Author:** ![Hidan1337](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/hidan1337/32/6045_2.png) [@Hidan1337](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Hidan1337)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 1:03pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/11 "2016-08-04T13:03:00Z")
> [@febo](#): > > If you faced hidan in the last PvP event you would know how op sleep is if used well… Once it gets going you loose 100%… It needed some counters. Still I don’t think poison is so hard to beat… Purify is a hard counter and the poison legends are very squishy… Yeah gonna have to mix it up now 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ancrath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f17d59/32.png) [@Ancrath](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Ancrath)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/12 "2016-08-04T13:27:48Z")
> [@Loughlin\\\_Mcallister](#): > > I think most of had no idea how good sleep was > Kimiyo used sleep and nearly out beat moph on the UC winning matches in 10 mins > I also never said posion was bad I use one of the best poison trap teams in this game and I have none of the new guys it just a means not everyone will run sleep so careless now with monsters like bane a threat > The death chicken does not counter aegis > It only punishes those that abuse it > A single monster will not change the meta at all > So far we got > Poison > Sleep > Assit > Night-night > Stun > All running very well and non of them dominating over the other What was moph? Using? Citing the uc as evidence is just poor form honestly man. The whole mode is broken. with the new poison additions we don’t know how it will run tbh, but poison is easier to set up than sleep. I’m sure the monsters are available to counter sleep already without pimping out poison. People already started dropping poison gas around ---
**Author:** ![ILAGaLOT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ilagalot/32/19929_2.png) [@ILAGaLOT](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ILAGaLOT)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 1:38pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/13 "2016-08-04T13:38:50Z")
Yeah it is bad expample But sleep is op and if you played in the higher tiers you woould see that If you where good you would know exactly how poison would run sorry Long story short poison buff changes nothing for most the lower tier players No offence to anyone here But it stops sleep being over used ---
**Author:** ![Fredator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/fredator/32/5903_2.png) [@Fredator](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Fredator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/14 "2016-08-04T13:44:22Z")
Poison teams get in trouble pretty fast if the opponent has a few purifiers in his team. Especially when the purifiers have a bonus, so they outspeed poison touch or poison gas. And chances for having a purifier with high bonus (even clioseraph or glyther from the side quest) are much higher than having super epic or legendary poisoner with a high bonus. ---
**Author:** ![Ancrath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f17d59/32.png) [@Ancrath](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Ancrath)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/15 "2016-08-04T13:57:09Z")
another thing is sleep is viable in pve so people use it more , can practice more, and optimize it. Poison is kinda dud in high level pve. So in general people won’t use it in pvp as their teams are set up already. > [@Loughlin\\\_Mcallister](#): > > Yeah it is bad expample > But sleep is op and if you played in the higher tiers you woould see that > If you where good you would know exactly how poison would run sorry > Long story short poison buff changes nothing for most the lower tier players > No offence to anyone here > But it stops sleep being over used I know where I play man. Poison being under represented doesn’t mean it’s not underpowered. Where does buckingham play? He’s been standing by poison legendaries for a long time as far as I’ve seen. > [@Loughlin\\\_Mcallister](#): > > Yeah it is bad expample > But sleep is op and if you played in the higher tiers you woould see that > If you where good you would know exactly how poison would run sorry > Long story short poison buff changes nothing for most the lower tier players > No offence to anyone here > But it stops sleep being over used I know where I play man. Poison being under represented doesn’t mean it’s not underpowered. Where does buckingham play? He’s been standing by poison legendaries for a long time as far as I’ve seen. > [@Fredator](#): > > Poison teams get in trouble pretty fast if the opponent has a few purifiers in his team. Especially when the purifiers have a bonus, so they outspeed poison touch or poison gas. And chances for having a purifier with high bonus (even clioseraph or glyther from the side quest) are much higher than having super epic or legendary poisoner with a high bonus. Can the same not be said of sleep? ---
**Author:** ![ILAGaLOT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ilagalot/32/19929_2.png) [@ILAGaLOT](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ILAGaLOT)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/16 "2016-08-04T14:04:51Z")
Look sleep and poison is balanced now Both are viable options that’s all ---
**Author:** ![Doc\_Brankijam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@Doc\_Brankijam](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Doc_Brankijam)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 2:08pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/17 "2016-08-04T14:08:38Z")
> [@Loughlin\\\_Mcallister](#): > > I think most of had no idea how good sleep was > Kimiyo used sleep and nearly out beat moph on the UC winning matches in 10 mins > I also never said posion was bad I use one of the best poison trap teams in this game and I have none of the new guys it just a means not everyone will run sleep so careless now with monsters like bane a threat The death chicken does not counter aegis > It only punishes those that abuse it > A single monster will not change the meta at allSo far we got > Poison > Sleep > Assit > Night-night > Stun > All running very well and non of them dominating over the other Even when i changed my setup to a (partly) sleep based team it made a huge difference. Always had some trouble with the boss fights of the higher chapters of online story. After i read something about sleep teams here, i had an idea, changed my setup towards a more sleep based team and now i’m just cruising through the story with almost everytimen 4-5 monsters left, even in the ultimate challenge i was able to proceed much further than the last time with my old team. So yeah, even in the lower tiers you can realise how powerful sleep is ---
**Author:** ![ILAGaLOT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ilagalot/32/19929_2.png) [@ILAGaLOT](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ILAGaLOT)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 2:13pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/18 "2016-08-04T14:13:52Z")
Sweet glad the forum helped 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Doc\_Brankijam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@Doc\_Brankijam](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Doc_Brankijam)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/19 "2016-08-04T14:20:00Z")
Yes 🙂 Just using robinator for fun atm and i really dont want to face him, no matter which team hes in, with one protector in the opponents lineup he definitely becomes a death chicken 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fredator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/fredator/32/5903_2.png) [@Fredator](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Fredator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742/20 "2016-08-04T16:37:35Z")
> [@Ancrath](#): > > another thing is sleep is viable in pve so people use it more , can practice more, and optimize it. Poison is kinda dud in high level pve. So in general people won’t use it in pvp as their teams are set up already. > > I know where I play man. > Poison being under represented doesn’t mean it’s not underpowered. > Where does buckingham play? He’s been standing by poison legendaries for a long time as far as I’ve seen. > > I know where I play man. > Poison being under represented doesn’t mean it’s not underpowered. > Where does buckingham play? He’s been standing by poison legendaries for a long time as far as I’ve seen. > > Can the same not be said of sleep? Yes, but the purifier can be put to sleep, so he can’t purify anymore. But like lochi said, both are viable strategies now, but both have their counters. What bothers me more is that there are no counters for death revenge. There’s nothing you can do from losing a monster when facing death revengers (exept rhynobrawl and puff). They should think that over again. Make protectors catch the death revenge and make it count as a normal attack for them or something like that. [Next page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/poison/4742.md?page=2)