# NMEduck’s PvP Season 53-54 Balance Change Poll **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters\ **Created:** [February 28, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949 "2023-02-28T18:33:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![NMEduck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmeduck/32/32018_2.png) [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/1 "2023-02-28T18:33:43Z")
After a two year hiatus, my balance change/nerf poll is back! This time I’m too lazy to bother making a thread to get community input on what balance changes I should include so I’ll just be listing them myself. I’ve been the best performing pvp player in the past year anyway so it should be fine (incredibly humble duck moment) Do note that I don’t want plenty of the following balance changes to be implemented since I am quite fond of monsters like Suikenshi, Infernicorn, Soral, etc. so don’t come after me saying I’m doing this solely for my own benefit. Also, if I didn’t include a suggestion you wanted then that’s just too bad 🦆 _Poll ([view on site](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/1))_ _Poll ([view on site](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/1))_ _Poll ([view on site](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/1))_ ---
**Author:** ![Yay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/9dc877/32.png) [@Yay](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Yay)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/2 "2023-02-28T20:28:54Z")
Appreciate the effort, disagree with perceived “choice”. I find these threads are more often than not biased. Too few players have the collections and it makes their perspective skewered. It’s based on the mons they have and they centric on their experience in what they struggle or hate facing. If it included all other top tier performing mythics/legendary it would have more credibility. E.g. Sakuralisk, Satomi, Exo etc. Imho, gacha games are better off with buffs to underperforming mons _cough_ Lime _cough_ rather than nerfing, unless it promotes non-interactive gameplay such as rocklock/stun to the point it became a single player game. /yay ---
**Author:** ![NMEduck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmeduck/32/32018_2.png) [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 9:06pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/3 "2023-02-28T21:06:43Z")
> [@Yay](#): > > Appreciate the effort, disagree with perceived “choice”. I said at the beginning of the thread that I couldn’t be bothered to get a good amount of community input like how I did two years ago so everyone would be voting on suggestions that were picked by me. Everyone would have more of a “choice” if I made it so they would be suggesting their own balance changes, but that would either result in a lot more effort for me (and I’m too lazy for that) or it would likely decrease the chance of the devs listening to us. Around a dozen of the suggestions from my previous two nerf polls were implemented in some way so I figured this was the best approach. > [@Yay](#): > > I find these threads are more often than not biased. Of course it’s biased. That just means the choices are influenced by my personal experiences in pvp. > [@Yay](#): > > It’s based on the mons they have and they centric on their experience in what they struggle or hate facing. It’s quite likely I’ll get another easy top 1 next season if the devs don’t implement these changes within a month so it’ll be rather hard to argue that I’m doing this all out of self interest. > [@Yay](#): > > If it included all other top tier performing mythics/legendary it would have more credibility. E.g. Sakuralisk, Satomi, Exo etc. I was limited to 20 options per poll so I had to choose which ones were more important. I don’t see much interest among the community in nerfing those mythics so they weren’t a priority for me. I could’ve separated this into two polls for each section to include even more options, but that would lead to six polls in total and risk decreasing the total voters. Even with just three polls, the last one is currently getting just 2/3 the voters as the first poll. > [@Yay](#): > > Imho, gacha games are better off with buffs to underperforming mons _cough_ Lime _cough_ rather than nerfing, unless it promotes non-interactive gameplay such as rocklock/stun to the point it became a single player game. It’s fine to think that, but I’d guess a large majority of the community believes there are quite a few things that need to be nerfed at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![DMGInterference](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dmginterference/32/50532_2.png) [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/4 "2023-02-28T22:56:38Z")
I’d like for the Devs to simultaneously rework ALL the dozens of 4/5★ bench-warmer monsters, the ones present in the game since launch. The members of the “same moveset, different element” club. By rework, I don’t mean slapping some inconsequential passive skill on them. I mean absolutely overhauling their moveset into a completely different (and actually good) monster. Imagine that. It’d be like if a hundred of new monsters were to be introduced to the game simultaneously. I think that would be pretty fun to see play out and also could potentially lead to a Golden age of PvP creativity, or (more likely) be the final nail in the coffin to make Neo Monsters unplayable ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 11:31pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/5 "2023-02-28T23:31:48Z")
I’d agree with the Bastia nerf if it was 100s from **start of battle**. That’s the key thing, she doesn’t need nerfing outside the front line. > [@Yay](#): > > Too few players have the collections and it makes their perspective skewered. It’s based on the mons they have and they centric on their experience in what they struggle or hate facing. 100%, the results have to be considered taking this into account. Unfortunately it can mean some polls don’t really say much, but sometimes they give useful insight. ---
**Author:** ![GMagic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/gmagic/32/51920_2.png) [@GMagic](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/GMagic)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 11:53pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/6 "2023-02-28T23:53:00Z")
> [@NMEduck](#): > > Btw this past season was the easiest top 1 I’ve had by far because of Myst AP spam being so powerful I knew there would be a weird flex in here somewhere ---
**Author:** ![Yay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/9dc877/32.png) [@Yay](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Yay)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 12:05am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/7 "2023-03-01T00:05:24Z")
> [@NMEduck](#): > > It’s quite likely I’ll get another easy top 1 next season if the devs don’t implement these changes within a month so it’ll be rather hard to argue that I’m doing this all out of self interest. I believe most of the mythic nerfs you suggests are mons you don’t have or use, and Stealthbreak is not unique to Sui. So kind of contradict to you saying you can hit another easy top 1 if no change would happen (barring Myst AP spam but we are talking about mythics here), and you are no stranger in hitting top 1 in ranked. I am also a bit wary on nerfs to Mythics due to the financial cost involved, and how it can negatively impact consumer confidence and behaviour if they are to nerf something people spent a lot of money on, e.g. Prixis for you. Lastly, I think giving suggestions are completely fine and encouraged. Trying to create a “poll” to persuade changes based on limited choices can sometimes be misleading. /yay ---
**Author:** ![NMEduck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmeduck/32/32018_2.png) [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 12:44am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/8 "2023-03-01T00:44:56Z")
> [@Yay](#): > > I believe most of the mythic nerfs you suggests are mons you don’t have or use, and Stealthbreak is not unique to Sui. That’s simply because I don’t own most of the mythics that are currently in need of a nerf. I guarantee I would still include carmilla, maeve, and kanna even if I owned the awakened forms. > [@Yay](#): > > So kind of contradict to you saying you can hit another easy top 1 if no change would happen (barring Myst AP spam but we are talking about mythics here), and you are no stranger in hitting top 1 in ranked. I’ve gotten top 1 with only one other team which was link fire and that got nerfed shortly after. Myst AP spam with prixis is so incredibly powerful I would’ve finished with only five losses and 84k rating if I didn’t face Janne so often. I highly doubt the meta will shift enough in the next season to counter my team so I don’t see any contradictions to what I said. > [@Yay](#): > > Trying to create a “poll” to persuade changes based on limited choices can sometimes be misleading. It would be great if we didn’t need to do this, but as I said earlier, this seems to be the best way to convince the devs to take action against monsters that have gone far too long without a nerf. > [@Yay](#): > > I am also a bit wary on nerfs to Mythics due to the financial cost involved, and how it can negatively impact consumer confidence and behaviour if they are to nerf something people spent a lot of money on, e.g. Prixis for you. That’s true. The devs need to do a better job of offering compensation whenever they nerf something and this isn’t limited to just mythics either. At least in carmilla’s case it would still be S+ tier even if blood drain gets its secs increased. > [@GMagic](#): > > I knew there would be a weird flex in here somewhere > [@NMEduck](#): > > I’ve been the best performing pvp player in the past year anyway so it should be fine (incredibly humble duck moment) > [@Killerdog](#): > > I’d agree with the Bastia nerf if it was 100s from **start of battle**. That’s the key thing, she doesn’t need nerfing outside the front line. Fair enough, although you’re also the primary reason bastia needs a third nerf in the first place. Also can you pin this topic for like a week or two so enough players see it? ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/9 "2023-03-01T01:14:44Z")
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**Author:** ![EMI\_Eklypz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/emi_eklypz/32/35841_2.png) [@EMI\_Eklypz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/EMI_Eklypz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 1:35am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/10 "2023-03-01T01:35:12Z")
@NMEduck i am very disappointed in you. you claim to be the best player but you neglect to add an option for the most important change that needs to happen. i know I’m not alone in feeling this way and there are many players upset with the current situation. i think even you can probably see this is a necessity for the good of the game. simply put - we need a Jerbo buff. ---
**Author:** ![GMagic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/gmagic/32/51920_2.png) [@GMagic](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/GMagic)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 1:40am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/11 "2023-03-01T01:40:23Z")
I disagree with pinning this thread. These are biased takes, some good and some trash. One is just a hollow self brag. Doesn’t seem pin worthy to me ---
**Author:** ![EMI\_Eklypz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/emi_eklypz/32/35841_2.png) [@EMI\_Eklypz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/EMI_Eklypz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 1:43am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/12 "2023-03-01T01:43:49Z")
btw putting a double nerf on carmilla in one box when you have put two separate nerfs on maeve is dumb. i agree with the tu of blood drain increasing. and depending upon how that plays out then i might be persuaded to get a second nerf on her - though i think you will find it won’t be needed. putting 2 nerfs in one means i cannot agree. ---
**Author:** ![EMI\_Eklypz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/emi_eklypz/32/35841_2.png) [@EMI\_Eklypz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/EMI_Eklypz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 1:48am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/13 "2023-03-01T01:48:49Z")
i also feel that instead of nerfing nullifying strike Zealous Strike should be buffed. nerfing a way to deal with DR seems like a bad idea… ---
**Author:** ![NMEduck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmeduck/32/32018_2.png) [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 1:54am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/14 "2023-03-01T01:54:23Z")
> [@EMI\_Eklypz](#): > > btw putting a double nerf on carmilla in one box when you have put two separate nerfs on maeve is dumb Dude it literally says and/or in the option 😂 Also maeve isn’t the only nullifying strike monster… > [@GMagic](#): > > These are biased takes, some good and some trash. Sounds good so vote on which ones you agree or disagree with. > [@GMagic](#): > > One is just a hollow self brag. I’d like to postpone my response to this until after next season’s ranked ends. > [@GMagic](#): > > Doesn’t seem pin worthy to me Over a dozen changes from my previous two balance polls were implemented. The same can easily happen for this poll. Why do you think that isn’t pin worthy? > [@EMI\_Eklypz](#): > > nerfing a way to deal with DR seems like a bad idea… Reworking nullifying strike to deal critical damage against monsters with revenge passives actually makes it stronger against DR ---
**Author:** ![EMI\_Eklypz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/emi_eklypz/32/35841_2.png) [@EMI\_Eklypz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/EMI_Eklypz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 1:56am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/15 "2023-03-01T01:56:50Z")
also rework single stun pulse. ---
**Author:** ![EMI\_Eklypz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/emi_eklypz/32/35841_2.png) [@EMI\_Eklypz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/EMI_Eklypz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 1:59am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/16 "2023-03-01T01:59:12Z")
> [@NMEduck](#): > > Also maeve isn’t the only nullifying strike monster… yes because i could tell you were referring to the overwhelming power of spikiestorrent when you thought to suggest this nerf… ---
**Author:** ![GMagic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/gmagic/32/51920_2.png) [@GMagic](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/GMagic)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 1:59am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/17 "2023-03-01T01:59:45Z")
> [@NMEduck](#): > > Over a dozen changes from my previous two balance polls were implemented You listed almost every possible change that could be made, of course some would get implemented. They were getting changed whether you made a thread or not lol ---
**Author:** ![NMEduck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmeduck/32/32018_2.png) [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 2:08am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/18 "2023-03-01T02:08:15Z")
I think quite a few of them wouldn’t have happened without my influence. Especially deathgazer and possibly the 50tu moveset nerfs. In any case, we’ve gone several updates without anything being done about quite a few problematic monsters. > [@EMI\_Eklypz](#): > > i could tell you were referring to the overwhelming power of spikiestorrent when you thought to suggest this nerf Sturgeonidas as well. Anyway it wouldn’t have made sense for me to have the nullifying strike nerf suggestion for just maeve when there are other monsters that have it too ---
**Author:** ![EMI\_Eklypz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/emi_eklypz/32/35841_2.png) [@EMI\_Eklypz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/EMI_Eklypz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 2:09am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/19 "2023-03-01T02:09:46Z")
other monsters have bloodbite… ---
**Author:** ![NMEduck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmeduck/32/32018_2.png) [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 2:10am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949/20 "2023-03-01T02:10:56Z")
Carmilla has vigor bloodbite, one of its signature moves. [Next page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/nmeduck-s-pvp-season-53-54-balance-change-poll/42949.md?page=2)