# Monsters that need buffs (input needed) **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters General Discussions\ **Created:** [March 20, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360 "2017-03-20T22:53:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 9:25pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1461 "2018-06-01T21:25:01Z")
Woah chill out! I agreed with you that Tridrakhan is one of the weaker non-limited legendaries and suggested poison gambit as a buff. My point in mentioning it’s non-limited is that a new monster having venom chrono killer 70TU doesn’t mean Tridrak suddenly deserves a buff of reduced TU on its moves or chrono killer added too. I mean if TU was reduced to 70 on those moves and SS swift dual venom chrono killer that would pretty much turn the monster into a better version of Cyclozar. I think Tridrak is basically a twin killer that synergises nicely with poison teams. That’s how it’s always been and how it should stay, rather than adding extra powers to it. ---
**Author:** ![Rctuga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/rctuga/32/56460_2.png) [@Rctuga](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Rctuga)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1462 "2018-06-01T22:55:20Z")
Yeah makes total sense a regular legend get 100tu poison sleep killer and a new gay limited get the exact same move purpose but with 70tu(poison chrono killer) f\*\*\* limited legends they are legends not super legends so stop sayng limited gay legends need to be better then common ones…tri is good? Yes!! Could be better? Yes! make is moves 70tu or make the new gay limited 100tu so this way nobody will complain. ---
**Author:** ![TNB\_Whitethorn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/47e85d/32.png) [@TNB\_Whitethorn](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNB_Whitethorn)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2018, 9:11am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1463 "2018-06-02T09:11:31Z")
Nah, poison gambit just doesnt cut it. Venom chrono killer just doesnt change much. Cyclo is still greater because it has exit plan. Anyway, would love some official dev input here instead of bikkering amongst ourselves. Also i took offnse on your monster racism. (thinking a monster should be weak just because its non limited) ---
**Author:** ![Exu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/exu/32/62314_2.png) [@Exu](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Exu)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 10:19am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1464 "2018-06-21T10:19:24Z")
People, now that cryo, sancta nebel and cosmo are finally getting buffed do you think that the old auto poisoners should get a buff too? They feel a bit weak and have aged badly in my opinion. Knock back could be replaced by 70 tu repulse for example. ---
**Author:** ![TNB\_iSegal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/tnb_isegal/32/6243_2.png) [@TNB\_iSegal](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNB_iSegal)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 10:33am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1465 "2018-06-21T10:33:55Z")
I think AP monsters has great design, stun immue + AP is already a great combination. However i do feel knockback TU is to high, regardless to the AP. (250 is alot, alwayd felt it can be 200). ---
**Author:** ![Rctuga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/rctuga/32/56460_2.png) [@Rctuga](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Rctuga)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 11:22am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1466 "2018-06-21T11:22:59Z")
Why not Link KB 100tu for fire AP or new move friendly kb 100tu only works if theres other poison Monsters on field Repulse for light AP or new move go away its a kb random move just like kbr but with 100tu Kbn for worm AP or sacrifice kb 100tu due to throw teams type is almost 100% hearth ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1467 "2018-06-21T13:55:27Z")
I agree the standard auto-poisoners are getting due for a “buff”. Their moveset + passives are good already so all they really need is a secret skill. Repulses or swift poison eaters would be great. ---
**Author:** ![anon65219497](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eada6e/32.png) [@anon65219497](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/anon65219497)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1468 "2018-06-21T14:58:37Z")
swift epidemic… ---
**Author:** ![Phoebe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/phoebe/32/22954_2.png) [@Phoebe](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Phoebe)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1469 "2018-06-21T16:05:03Z")
Give trio ap secret skill swift slayerbane or swift retribution Each of them should have different secret skill ---
**Author:** ![SaSSolino8](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/sassolino8/32/25447_2.png) [@SaSSolino8](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/SaSSolino8)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1470 "2018-06-21T18:23:45Z")
Stun cloners and DR cloners are getting buffs? Source? Also I still think that DR cloners are fine. ---
**Author:** ![kocowind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kocowind/32/5640_2.png) [@kocowind](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/kocowind)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1471 "2018-06-21T20:20:03Z")
My +9 APs can be one-shot by timestrikers just because of poison eat move. I don’t understand how you guys conclude that they are good enough. ---
**Author:** ![TNB\_iSegal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/tnb_isegal/32/6243_2.png) [@TNB\_iSegal](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNB_iSegal)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1472 "2018-06-21T20:23:11Z")
Mainly as supporters. They do lack of offensive force and they arnt good sweepers, but i dont find it that bad due to the support they offer. ---
**Author:** ![Exu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/exu/32/62314_2.png) [@Exu](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Exu)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1473 "2018-06-21T20:34:48Z")
Look up thread regarding next update by dev Vkc. ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1474 "2018-06-21T20:39:36Z")
> [@SaSSolino8](#): > > Stun cloners and DR cloners are getting buffs? Source? This thread: [https://neomonstersforum.com/t/regarding-some-buff-and-nerf-in-the-next-update/12723](https://neomonstersforum.com/t/regarding-some-buff-and-nerf-in-the-next-update/12723) ---
**Author:** ![SaSSolino8](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/sassolino8/32/25447_2.png) [@SaSSolino8](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/SaSSolino8)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 9:20am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1475 "2018-07-01T09:20:46Z")
Doesn’t open. ---
**Author:** ![Peezy04](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/peezy04/32/8844_2.png) [@Peezy04](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Peezy04)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1476 "2018-07-03T14:44:18Z")
apollorexus needs a make over. I feel like he should be a super epic as is most people I have played with use him for the death revenge and kill him off. Either give him shocking entrance or at least stunning entrance. Trade death revenge for hold ground. Life flip self for life flip unlimited. Survior to double survivor. And maybe get rid of accelerate team for chrono killer or another attack move. As for legendaries go he can’t really compete with the monsters that have came out so for ---
**Author:** ![Moking](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/moking/32/7553_2.png) [@Moking](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Moking)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1477 "2018-07-03T15:27:23Z")
What 😂😂 makes no sense! his 80 tu survivor is strong, his instant shield too… I i dont think that u get his purpose ---
**Author:** ![Boiler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/boiler/32/19099_2.png) [@Boiler](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Boiler)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1478 "2018-07-03T15:51:45Z")
While not game changing esp since the DR nerf, Apollo and Talo both are great for their ability to outspend and instantly shield your sweeper. Then they accelerate the team. At that point you can backstab the dead weight or keep them alive long enough to activate survivor, at which point your enemy is forced to kill them and eat the DR. ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1479 "2018-07-03T16:52:05Z")
> [@Peezy04](#): > > Either give him shocking entrance or at least stunning entrance. Trade death revenge for hold ground. Life flip self for life flip unlimited. Survior to double survivor. Sounds suspiciously like Galliodragon… Like Boilertribe said, fastest shield+accelerate available with a fast sweeping move if it gets left alive and death revenge always there as something the opponent must take. They fit the support role nicely even if they aren’t overpowered in any way. ---
**Author:** ![anon65219497](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eada6e/32.png) [@anon65219497](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/anon65219497)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 7:32pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/1480 "2018-07-03T19:32:07Z")
Ok how about something like Blitz Survivor so that it can ignore HG and Shield. Also with the introduction of drain survivor maybe we can change survivor to drain survivor and hange life flip self to life flip friend [Previous page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360.md?page=73) [Next page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360.md?page=75)