# Monsters that need buffs (input needed) **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters General Discussions\ **Created:** [March 20, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360 "2017-03-20T22:53:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Laxtankk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/laxtankk/32/12497_2.png) [@Laxtankk](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Laxtankk)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 3:05pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/621 "2017-07-23T15:05:48Z")
> [@Ortobio](#): > > Why u no answer me lax, im sad when did you even message me haha ---
**Author:** ![Has88san](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Has88san](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Has88san)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/622 "2017-07-23T19:35:57Z")
Dolph is alrite. lax said he’s amazing as he is. 😂🤣🤣😂 ---
**Author:** ![Lucrayzor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/lucrayzor/32/31298_2.png) [@Lucrayzor](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Lucrayzor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:17am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/623 "2017-07-25T05:17:29Z")
UPDATE: removed Kami/Shadow, Nebel/Cosmo and Utopion from the list, Dolph and Prisma are still up for debate. ---
**Author:** ![DSN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@DSN](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DSN)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 6:49am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/624 "2017-07-25T06:49:08Z")
Is terrordragon up for consideration? Well i got him so i use him… but he is hard to use,  all his moves that can fo critical damage have very hard comditions - poison massacre albiet its best move needs all 4 opponents to be poisoned which can be hard with protectors or purifiers in opposite team… but its a good move with no buff needed Poison burst is the move i think needs to be changed, even if 3 or 4 of my team mates are poisoned, this move cannot 1 shot kill even after such a difficult and unwanted requirement to begin with.  It either needs a buff or needs to be changed. Yes i have this monster and thats 1 of the reason it needs buff, but whats really makes me write this here is that this monster has no 5th quick attack or ability, nor he has any passive ability… no stun counter, no hold ground, no camouflage, no nothing And gives that he has only 1 move going on for him, he is hardly used dispite a good attack. Even other monsters that do crit dmg to all enemy have some ability and other usefull moves  Recommendations Poison burst be changed to either dual poison burst with dmg buff or detox blast or bloodfury (love blood fury’s…lol ) Add atleast 1 passive…even the old and trusted hold ground will do but sleep immunity and stun immunity seems more appropriate.  Hope its considered ---
**Author:** ![Guwop](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/guwop/32/12115_2.png) [@Guwop](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Guwop)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 7:00am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/625 "2017-07-25T07:00:13Z")
> [@DSN](#): > > Is terrordragon up for consideration? > > Well i got him so i use him… but he is hard to use,  all his moves that can fo critical damage have very hard comditions - > > poison massacre albiet its best move needs all 4 opponents to be poisoned which can be hard with protectors or purifiers in opposite team… but its a good move with no buff needed > > Poison burst is the move i think needs to be changed, even if 3 or 4 of my team mates are poisoned, this move cannot 1 shot kill even after such a difficult and unwanted requirement to begin with.  It either needs a buff or needs to be changed. > > Yes i have this monster and thats 1 of the reason it needs buff, but whats really makes me write this here is that this monster has no 5th quick attack or ability, nor he has any passive ability… no stun counter, no hold ground, no camouflage, no nothing > > And gives that he has only 1 move going on for him, he is hardly used dispite a good attack. > > Even other monsters that do crit dmg to all enemy have some ability and other usefull moves  > > Recommendations > > Poison burst be changed to either dual poison burst with dmg buff or detox blast or bloodfury (love blood fury’s…lol ) > > Add atleast 1 passive…even the old and trusted hold ground will do but sleep immunity and stun immunity seems more appropriate.  > > Hope its considered Owning a monster is not a valid reason. Terror is extremely powerful in pvp, but bad in pve. He is far from needing a buff and of course he is weak if you don’t have the right monster surrounding him ---
**Author:** ![Zardecil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/zardecil/32/7546_2.png) [@Zardecil](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Zardecil)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 7:14am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/626 "2017-07-25T07:14:13Z")
Auto poisoners + a set up terrordragon is literally just GG. Nothing you can do anymore. ---
**Author:** ![TheWolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/thewolf/32/6230_2.png) [@TheWolf](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TheWolf)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/627 "2017-07-25T14:24:45Z")
Bovo and prisma still suck, especially why cant prisma get something unique like every other limited legend… and if so pls dint take 4 months to do so again ---
**Author:** ![TNB\_iSegal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/tnb_isegal/32/6243_2.png) [@TNB\_iSegal](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNB_iSegal)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 3:21pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/628 "2017-07-25T15:21:06Z")
An idea for dolph What if he would become a direct better type of galv? Moves: Timestrike Protector killer Bloodfury (100 TU). Stun granade SS: 1 TU summon 2 rockoids (is that what he got now? Not sure). REMOVE twin summon entrence. Add stun immue Buff speed to around 90%. Now we got a new FL option instead of galv. He can instantly summon 2 rockoids so he can use stun very fast. Why he better then galv: - can use stun multply times. - better stats (protector killer that does better damage in FL. Good stag counter). - stun immunity is better then HG (not that HG is bad). - bloodfury with the TU of bloodcrave. Why he aint worse: - both have bloodmoves and can set them self up. - both with a defensive passive. - both with same speed. Why remove twin summon entrence: - make him a fast FL options. - make him more of a sweeper, less a supportive stunner. ---
**Author:** ![Laxtankk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/laxtankk/32/12497_2.png) [@Laxtankk](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Laxtankk)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 3:30pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/629 "2017-07-25T15:30:47Z")
dolphs ss isn’t instant it’s 50 tu ---
**Author:** ![TNB\_iSegal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/tnb_isegal/32/6243_2.png) [@TNB\_iSegal](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNB_iSegal)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/630 "2017-07-25T16:11:31Z")
> [@Laxtankk](#): > > dolphs ss isn’t instant it’s 50 tu Its fine for him as he is now, but for my suggestion it should be instant ---
**Author:** ![Lucrayzor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/lucrayzor/32/31298_2.png) [@Lucrayzor](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Lucrayzor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/631 "2017-07-25T20:12:31Z")
Two buffs yet dolph is still st the bottom of the list. That’s truly depressing. Really Galvbane is 80% of the reason Dolph sucks so much, because Galvbane outclasses him by a MILE. And he’s a damn super epic. That’s just plain wrong. Thing is Dolph is definitely better than he used to be, but the bottom tiers have gotten less and less crowded each update, stiffening the competition. And Dolph is doing a very poor job of keeping up. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/mr.x/32/20447_2.png) [@Mr.X](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Mr.X)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/632 "2017-07-25T20:50:45Z")
Dolp only needa a second passive hg and hes fine ---
**Author:** ![NMEGaryOak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmegaryoak/32/20469_2.png) [@NMEGaryOak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEGaryOak)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/633 "2017-07-25T21:27:28Z")
Blood clones and blood duplicates shouldn’t kill the monster who uses the move if they’re at 1 hp! It should create another 1 hp clone. Z19 GaryOak ---
**Author:** ![SoL\_Navelstan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@SoL\_Navelstan](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/SoL_Navelstan)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/634 "2017-07-26T00:01:00Z")
> [@GaryOak](#): > > Blood clones and blood duplicates shouldn’t kill the monster who uses the move if they’re at 1 hp! It should create another 1 hp clone. > > Z19 GaryOak Completely agree. It makes use with auto difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Yocip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/779978/32.png) [@Yocip](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Yocip)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/635 "2017-07-26T01:52:33Z")
I agree with this statement “Make sudden death unable to hit rexo/kami” cuz it’s become stupid move when their attack hit themselves lol ---
**Author:** ![Dan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e95f7d/32.png) [@Dan01](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Dan01)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 8:01am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/636 "2017-07-26T08:01:18Z")
All phoenix are awesome but this new glorionix is with very weak skill set. Fire type: give turn , team turn 400 mega bomb and syun immune. Earth type: death Mark, bloodfury and camouflage Strom type: one on one , protect self and double survival Dark type: double blood crave., Peonix revange and peonix strike Water type : dramy entrance , nightmare grip and blood crave Glorionix (holy type) . So why this new bird have no good skill sets only stunning entrance. And moji atleast it need bloodthirsty or double blood crave with stun revange ---
**Author:** ![Xyzencross](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/xyzencross/32/6251_2.png) [@Xyzencross](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Xyzencross)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 8:14am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/637 "2017-07-26T08:14:19Z")
> [@Dan01](#): > > All phoenix are awesome but this new glorionix is with very weak skill set. > > Fire type: give turn , team turn 400 mega bomb and syun immune. > > Earth type: death Mark, bloodfury and camouflage > > Strom type: one on one , protect self and double survival > > Dark type: double blood crave., Peonix revange and peonix strike > > Water type : dramy entrance , nightmare grip and blood crave > > Glorionix (holy type) > . So why this new bird have no good skill sets only stunning entrance. And moji atleast it need bloodthirsty or double blood crave with stun revange You’ll make worse with thirst. Bloodcrave has low TU and can be charged faster. I think Nox link bloodthirst needs to be changed to link bloodbite or linkbloodfury. Its hard to set up nox and maintain it with assisted moves only at its disposal. ---
**Author:** ![Lucrayzor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/lucrayzor/32/31298_2.png) [@Lucrayzor](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Lucrayzor)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 10:49am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/638 "2017-07-26T10:49:57Z")
Only thing nox needs is significantly higher damage on his assist moves. Cryo/Sanc too, though they need other stuff as well. ---
**Author:** ![TNB\_iSegal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/tnb_isegal/32/6243_2.png) [@TNB\_iSegal](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/TNB_iSegal)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 11:01am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/639 "2017-07-26T11:01:45Z")
Aassist legends, beside increase at damage, need a unique link move. sanc and cyro need 1, perhaps link heal (with out dying). And link bloodthirst is just strange… there is already a bloodthirst skill, and with the link attach to it its just much worse. it should be changed to bloodbite, or anything new. (Cyro and sant also need bloodclone but lets focus on the assist part of the game) ---
**Author:** ![Xyzencross](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/xyzencross/32/6251_2.png) [@Xyzencross](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Xyzencross)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 12:50pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360/640 "2017-07-26T12:50:55Z")
> [@Lucrayzor](#): > > Only thing nox needs is significantly higher damage on his assist moves. Cryo/Sanc too, though they need other stuff as well. How high damage should it be? I was thinking that maybe if all 4 of the same element would be present it should do ×5 of normal elemental attack and if its 3 then ×3, ×2 for 2, and just normal elemental attack if only 1. TU is reasonable, 160 when potted and accelerated wont be ts food. Link bloodthirst needs to go away, either link bloodbite or just normal bloodthirst. Nox has high damage and is fast, would go well with gallio and reven/darkstag and gearwolf with nightlord and bane reinforcements, bane to trigger overwatch and launch another assisted aoe. :3 [Previous page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360.md?page=31) [Next page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/monsters-that-need-buffs-input-needed/6360.md?page=33)