# Let's talk about these two! **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters\ **Created:** [November 6, 2020, 4:41am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063 "2020-11-06T04:41:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lucrayzor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/lucrayzor/32/31298_2.png) [@Lucrayzor](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Lucrayzor)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:34pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/21 "2020-11-06T14:34:10Z")
LOL be grateful that Sprig can revive grovo at all… that wasn’t always a thing. The ability to straight up clone themselves infinitely by creating multiple sprigs was just ridiculous. There’s no way they should have that much power without the help of revive mons. ---
**Author:** ![DRACARYS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dracarys/32/34809_2.png) [@DRACARYS](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DRACARYS)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/22 "2020-11-06T15:12:05Z")
Ok… And what about sanctalion/cryo ? ---
**Author:** ![NMEduck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmeduck/32/32018_2.png) [@NMEduck](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEduck)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/23 "2020-11-06T15:12:43Z")
According to the tier list, they are stronger than ziberius for pvp so I don’t think they need any buffs. ---
**Author:** ![DRACARYS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dracarys/32/34809_2.png) [@DRACARYS](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DRACARYS)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/24 "2020-11-06T15:12:56Z")
I read above that sanc is good for things like “can be killed by voidress” which is just too sad ---
**Author:** ![DRACARYS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dracarys/32/34809_2.png) [@DRACARYS](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DRACARYS)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/25 "2020-11-06T15:15:08Z")
Hoho I see what you’re trying to do here @Killerdog I think this message is for you 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Unown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/unown/32/82733_2.png) [@Unown](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Unown)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 3:51pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/26 "2020-11-06T15:51:54Z")
I agree that grovo nerf was too much. I only see grovo as a burden atm. I feel like there should be another type of restriction than it has now. ---
**Author:** ![DMGInterference](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dmginterference/32/50532_2.png) [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 3:59pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/27 "2020-11-06T15:59:38Z")
Why not buffing Spriggolo? It’d be so cool, the actual star of the show is a 1★ monster! Maybe change his moveset into something like: **Duo Attack** **Give Turn** **Stun Burst** **Buddy Revival** **Shield Entrance** **Healing Revenge** ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/28 "2020-11-06T16:01:55Z")
> [@DMGInterference](#): > > **Sanctallion:** give him _Bond: Focus_ and and _Union Attack_ instead of _Ultralux_ > > **Cryokaizer:** give him _Bond: Healing Entrance_ and change the SS to _Adrenaline_ . Why would you want focus on a moveset like these guys have? Also, bond with themselves I’m guessing? Personally I’d go for union because that can be built around rather than just skipping turns and waiting for the second one to enter, which is definitely not going to work in PvP. I thought about healing entrance too. It would be a nice passive but with my ideas (accelerate and excessive force) I needed two that were similar power level. Lower power level buff: 57% → 64% speed, second passives (union: excessive force, union: accelerate) Higher power level buff: 57% → 64% speed, second passives (union: healing entrance, union: poison immunity) ---
**Author:** ![DMGInterference](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dmginterference/32/50532_2.png) [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 4:05pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/29 "2020-11-06T16:05:26Z")
Exactly! Union Attack and Bond passives both activate if there’s a clone of the monster on the field. I thought about Union: Excessive Force, but I was afraid to do that on an Assisted monster. ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 4:06pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/30 "2020-11-06T16:06:06Z")
> [@DMGInterference](#): > > **Duo Attack** > **Give Turn** > **Stun Burst** > **Buddy Revival** > > **Shield Entrance** > **Healing Revenge** So Grovodeus turns into a stun combo monster / give turn combo monster? Also, looks a bit weird to have two sacrifice moves and a revenge passive. The original design is Grovodeus is the tank, Spriggolo is the sweeper. Better to stick to that I think rather than bringing in support/control/combo. ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 4:07pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/31 "2020-11-06T16:07:05Z")
> [@DMGInterference](#): > > I thought about Union: Excessive Force, but I was afraid to do that on an Assisted monster. It’s not going to do as much as you think because they already have max attack. It mainly makes a difference to attacking high defence enemies or in PvE. ---
**Author:** ![DMGInterference](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dmginterference/32/50532_2.png) [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/32 "2020-11-06T16:08:57Z")
Nuuuuuuuu I wanted to give Spriggolo something to do whatever the situation! Grovodeus becomes the old geezer whose purpose is to tank, while Spriggolo turns into a kinda jack of all trades. If you don’t want to re-summon a Grovodeus, then just sacrifice your Spriggolo and let your team move on. > [@Killerdog](#): > > It’s not going to do as much as you think because they already have max attack. It mainly makes a difference to attacking high defence enemies or in PvE. Ok I’m trusting you on this one ---
**Author:** ![SanghelioLord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@SanghelioLord](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/SanghelioLord)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/33 "2020-11-06T16:40:45Z")
Either that or just new SSs. LINK swift slash all and ELEM attack boost all. Other than that their only role is for hungry voidress 🍽 ---
**Author:** ![NMEGaryOak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nmegaryoak/32/20469_2.png) [@NMEGaryOak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NMEGaryOak)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/34 "2020-11-06T18:49:40Z")
Tbh I wish Grovo artwork looked like another DBZ character ---
**Author:** ![LemonSqueezy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/lemonsqueezy/32/17699_2.png) [@LemonSqueezy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/LemonSqueezy)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/35 "2020-11-06T19:02:18Z")
Oh I thought that was Tyanical ruling ---
**Author:** ![NoelLemon2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/noellemon2/32/76166_2.png) [@NoelLemon2](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NoelLemon2)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/36 "2020-11-06T21:33:16Z")
bond and union attack can work on other angelics, like how spectorfin works with phantoms, so it would encourage more players to play link holy without needing too many limited units. we can change the assisted lux to union attack and bond like dolphin bond so they increase each others’ defense and attack. let’s also remove the other assisted move because screw 200-250 TU moves that doesn’t ignore defense, hold ground, or shields and make it ELEM accelerate all. this would make them SO fun in pvp even though they still have the worst passive when there are so many stun counters running around. ---
**Author:** ![NoelLemon2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/noellemon2/32/76166_2.png) [@NoelLemon2](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NoelLemon2)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/37 "2020-11-06T21:38:04Z")
@Dev_VKC plz be like this: ![hqdefault](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/1/a/1a44d6107c1fb3b55ddd3e6be25a6049f64896a8.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![S-lovers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/s-lovers/32/36957_2.png) [@S-lovers](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/S-lovers)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 10:15pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063/39 "2020-11-06T22:15:15Z")
Buff tridakan too,please 😭,give him passive "Union:attack boost"or Change basicskill to “Dragonslayer"or “link double poison eater” or"Union attack” [Previous page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/lets-talk-about-these-two/30063.md?page=1)