# Let’s talk about the Bastia nerf **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters\ **Created:** [September 1, 2022, 5:08pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426 "2022-09-01T17:08:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SHIKAOTOKO](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/shikaotoko/32/34145_2.png) [@SHIKAOTOKO](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/SHIKAOTOKO)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/21 "2022-09-01T20:19:42Z")
Of course I’m sad, but I’m more interested in the reason for this nerf. Lemon, for example, was nerfed because it was very powerful at the beginning of its release.(It could be turned over by Lemon.) Low tu monsters (e.g. Cynthia and Kirina) have been nerfed. Bcz they can kill enemies very efficiently. Meave was very popular recently (did we call it Braindead on this forum?), but after much discussion on the forums, it was nerfed. Well, none of the above is true when it comes to Bastia. So I’m very curious about the reason for this nerf. @Dev_VKC ---
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/22 "2022-09-01T20:37:11Z")
My opinion is: 1. Bastia deserved a nerf but that’s exaggerated. 2. She needed to lose HG but Shield Entrance is the wrong sub, she would have benefitted more from a swap with HARDEN CARAPACE. 3. Random Knockback is totally useless as a move, that need to be changed on next update or ASAP. 4. Make Serene Field 60% chance of deactivating entrance (Awoken), 30% (mid form). ---
**Author:** ![Aeronomatron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/aeronomatron/32/19427_2.png) [@Aeronomatron](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Aeronomatron)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 8:52pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/23 "2022-09-01T20:52:08Z")
> [@DonT89](#): > > HARDEN CARAPACE Please keep ideas like this to yourself for the good of everyone ---
**Author:** ![squinty1880](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@squinty1880](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/squinty1880)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/24 "2022-09-01T20:53:45Z")
I think he meant “Perfect Stance” 🤡 ---
**Author:** ![ItsSherlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d6d6ee/32.png) [@ItsSherlock](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ItsSherlock)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/25 "2022-09-01T21:01:31Z")
I always thought of Bastia being the strongest myth in the game simply because she auto pilots you into winning if you are able to gain an advantage in the beginning of the match. The key to being successful in neo is to make your team work as independently from your opponent as possible. It’s like chess openings. The first moves are predetermined, no matter what your opponent does. If you managed to get yourself into an advantageous position Bastia helped a ton because she eliminated the biggest rng factor in this game (entrance passives like tranquilizers and damage rng by being so tanky that she would survive anyway). Also by playing bastia you were prepared for a battle without entrances, your randomly chosen opponent wasn’t. Usually this ended up in fighting some poor guy who brought a knife to a gunfight. However, and that’s my biggest issue: This was widely accepted. I think we all made our peace with bastia simply being an S+ mythic. Like Cynthia or Sakura. Where’s light, there’s shadow and when there are trash mythics there also have to be extremely strong mythics. Bastia wasn’t game breaking anymore but simply very strong. Using Cynthia a lot for example I can tell that’s it’s often very unfair when the whole enemy team gets swept by a 50 TU one shot move that sets itself up and is impossible to avoid. But at least they nerfed nefaridion lol. My point is, I totally agree with @squinty1880: Devs created a problem where non existed. Instead of targeting the real problems of the meta (@Dev_VKC dunno if you noticed but in test your team there are 3 teams using the exact same order of link fire monster. I’m a simple Sherlock but maybe that hints you towards the right direction what possibly could be wrong with the meta) they nerfed a strong mythic into the ground for no reason and left the real problems untouched. I really wanted a Bastia nerf. But not that way. Why does nerfing something strong always ends up in completely crippling the monster. One should think it must be possible to nerf something from S+ to S- or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:02pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/26 "2022-09-01T21:02:40Z")
Nope, just harden carapace, perfect stance is too strong on Bastia. ---
**Author:** ![squinty1880](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@squinty1880](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/squinty1880)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:02pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/27 "2022-09-01T21:02:52Z")
I was being sarcastic lol ---
**Author:** ![CUBANxNEO](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/cubanxneo/32/52183_2.png) [@CUBANxNEO](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/CUBANxNEO)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/28 "2022-09-01T21:03:49Z")
@Dev_VKC I just tested the new Bastia, and it seems to have only one passive, because it goes in without a shield. It seems that Serene field overrides its own entry🤣 ---
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:04pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/29 "2022-09-01T21:04:15Z")
Harden Carapace will give her some surviving buff, nothing more, you need to keep her HP high. ---
**Author:** ![squinty1880](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@squinty1880](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/squinty1880)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:04pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/30 "2022-09-01T21:04:20Z")
Let’s give it lemon’s entrance then if that’s the case. ---
**Author:** ![ItsSherlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d6d6ee/32.png) [@ItsSherlock](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ItsSherlock)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:05pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/31 "2022-09-01T21:05:10Z")
If this is true this nerf will go down as one of the biggest f\*ck ups in neo history ---
**Author:** ![CUBANxNEO](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/cubanxneo/32/52183_2.png) [@CUBANxNEO](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/CUBANxNEO)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/32 "2022-09-01T21:06:29Z")
Try bro ---
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/33 "2022-09-01T21:07:24Z")
Harden Carapace is coming 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![squinty1880](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@squinty1880](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/squinty1880)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:08pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/34 "2022-09-01T21:08:02Z")
Thanks for the insider info Dev\_DonT89 ---
**Author:** ![ItsSherlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d6d6ee/32.png) [@ItsSherlock](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ItsSherlock)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:08pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/35 "2022-09-01T21:08:29Z")
Dude she’s literally super tanky and almost impossible to kill without piercing. The last thing she needs is more defense. That’s like donating money to Jeff bezos ---
**Author:** ![Aeronomatron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/aeronomatron/32/19427_2.png) [@Aeronomatron](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Aeronomatron)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/36 "2022-09-01T21:10:32Z")
How much damage would you have to do just to get her out of harden carapace with one hit? ---
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/37 "2022-09-01T21:10:46Z")
Tanky as is now is enough a charged bloodfury to take her down. ---
**Author:** ![Aeronomatron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/aeronomatron/32/19427_2.png) [@Aeronomatron](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Aeronomatron)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/38 "2022-09-01T21:10:48Z")
That’s hilarious 😂 ---
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:16pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/39 "2022-09-01T21:16:46Z")
The target is to make Bastia lose her HG so she can’t tank damages of 15k. The target is not Bastia getting easily oneshotted by any charged monster in the field. ---
**Author:** ![ItsSherlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d6d6ee/32.png) [@ItsSherlock](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ItsSherlock)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 9:17pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426/40 "2022-09-01T21:17:33Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/e/2/e2077ff6144d9739c03833fe5bdd540fbd1aef87.jpeg) GG @Dev_VKC I guess it was unbearable to run a single test before nerfing it. [Previous page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426.md?page=1) [Next page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/let-s-talk-about-the-bastia-nerf/40426.md?page=3)