# I just got slaughtered by one of the coolest teams I've come across. Care to share some of your PvP stories? (Part 3) **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters\ **Created:** [February 24, 2023, 12:35am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883 "2023-02-24T00:35:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 176
**Author:** ![NoelLemon2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/noellemon2/32/76166_2.png) [@NoelLemon2](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NoelLemon2)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 11:29am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3724 "2024-12-14T11:29:34Z")
> [@Unown](#): > > That is the topic of the recent ban wave thread, shared accs got banned because the current users had no idea what the others users might’ve done with it. Didn’t the VKC imply that cheating accounts were banned and they only mentioned account sharing because some players who didn’t cheat got banned too because they shared it with a cheater and not because it was a shared account? I mean they do advocate against account sharing but they don’t ban over it, right? ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 11:30am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3725 "2024-12-14T11:30:07Z")
That’s correct. ---
**Author:** ![Unown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/unown/32/82733_2.png) [@Unown](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Unown)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 11:31am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3726 "2024-12-14T11:31:06Z")
Yes, but: > [@My Voidress is invalid??](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/my-voidress-is-invalid/36366/66): > > What happened is your account was using illegal token monster in the battle. I don’t know if you cheated or Anne cheated or someone else cheated, what we are certain is the act of cheating itself is confirmed Its exactly the topic of the recent ban thread. ---
**Author:** ![PurpleHeart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/purpleheart/32/68705_2.png) [@PurpleHeart](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/PurpleHeart)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 11:48am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3727 "2024-12-14T11:48:19Z")
With the power of downloading a screen shot We all F2P ![Screenshot_20240722-121026](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/e/3/e308720d1f72f0e9c8a8428b7452657cbbca856c.jpeg) 🥴 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/mr.x/32/20447_2.png) [@Mr.X](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Mr.X)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3728 "2024-12-14T11:52:01Z")
Your F2P too, i guess we all are F2P ---
**Author:** ![PurpleHeart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/purpleheart/32/68705_2.png) [@PurpleHeart](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/PurpleHeart)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 11:53am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3729 "2024-12-14T11:53:00Z")
Deal🤝 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/mr.x/32/20447_2.png) [@Mr.X](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Mr.X)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 11:53am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3730 "2024-12-14T11:53:31Z")
Deal 🤝 ---
**Author:** ![Kirisune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kirisune/32/76098_2.png) [@Kirisune](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Kirisune)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 12:22pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3731 "2024-12-14T12:22:15Z")
Should show Icon list to confirm XD ---
**Author:** ![PurpleHeart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/purpleheart/32/68705_2.png) [@PurpleHeart](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/PurpleHeart)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 12:23pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3732 "2024-12-14T12:23:24Z")
NU UH 😱 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 1:21pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3733 "2024-12-14T13:21:14Z")
> [@Mr.X](#): > > Am sorry man no matter how much you want to say your F2P but you are not > [@Coltraz](#): > > Nice little manipulation, you will never be considered F2P, just own it. I’m not sure you read my post properly… > [@Killerdog](#): > > So I’m not F2P, I’m grind to win and my account is basically the peak of what F2P could have achieved if playing since the start I am not F2P and won’t ever claim to be. I’m not trying to say anything like that, I don’t care about having a F2P title or something. The only thing I say on those lines is that the extra gems my account has received have pretty much been cancelled out by the poor shrine luck I’ve had, so the result is my account is equivalent to if I had been F2P but with average shrine luck. I hope you can see the distinction. > [@Coltraz](#): > > Your post showcasing your account and how much you managed to achieve was pretty controversial Yeah I do understand why, but also sadly I think most people just find it easier to believe I’m lying/misrepresenting stuff than to engage and understand the numbers to figure out what’s achievable from grinding gems in this game. I mean, just look at you guys jumping on things I didn’t say because you’re reading what you believe I’m saying rather than my actual words. My recent breakdown of the free gems people can get is the type of resource I’ve been trying to broadcast and I really hope people actually use it to gain their perspective. 8500 gems a year is a huge number. You can get a lot from that! > [@Mr.X](#): > > When we were at 500 gems KD would share screens he was 1000gems > … > he was rolling packs and getting every stun immune or op monster at that time Okay, genuinely stop with your conspiracy nonsense. I was skipping eggs and carefully targeting things. I’ve slowly collected the good monsters over time. As for the number of gems on my account, that’s purely because I set my “0” at a high number. I’m a hoarder so it’s super easy for me to keep that number. Since the fortune shrine my “0” is 2k gems and I’m typically on 3-4k gems (hatching when I’m at 4k). All that says about my account is I like to hoard. > [@LemonSqueezy](#): > > I reckon my current account, is what my OG F2P acc would look like if you played it instead of me 😂 No, I’d have more. My account surpassed yours in recent years. There are too many free gems available in the game (particularly with the fortune shrine) that I’ve overtaken it. I’m on 30 awakened mythics and 220 legendaries. You’re stuck with mostly older mythics while I have top ones and have all legendaries that I want at +9, which would be true if I’d played your OG account. ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3734 "2024-12-14T13:27:09Z")
> [@Killerdog](#): > > that the extra gems my account has received have pretty much been cancelled out by the poor shrine luck I’ve had I can’t believe you would think people will read it and say: “you know what, he is right, he haven’t gotten any advantage over other people since he had bad luck in his shrines”. It’s not about you having more than others → you work for that and you deserve it. You just don’t have to hide your advantages behind some luck bs. The gems you received for you work are deserved but they have not been cancelled out, they have been added to your account. That’s all. 👊🏻 I could say: I bought 300 gems but I got absolutely nothing out of it so my poor luck canceled it out and I am on the same standings as others. No I am not. ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 1:31pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3735 "2024-12-14T13:31:39Z")
Right, but do you see your perspective there is because you’re choosing to not believe me about my poor luck with the fortune shrine? I agree that I’ve got extra gems in addition, but for the purpose of figuring out what’s been achievable for a player grinding over the years it’s correct to factor things in properly. For that you’d expect the player to have average fortune shrine luck. Back in that controversial post I even said something like “if you don’t believe me then take 1-2 mythics away from my collection and then use that as the example”. The point has always been I’m using my account as the example, factoring in any advantages/disadvantages my account has had to make it an accurate example. My account is the closest example of what a peak F2P grinder account could be like. ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 1:36pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3736 "2024-12-14T13:36:27Z")
> [@Killerdog](#): > > Right, but do you see your perspective there is because you’re choosing to not believe me about my poor luck with the fortune shrine? I believe you might have poor luck. I don’t believe your additional gems have been in any way cancelled out. 👊🏻 ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 1:59pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3737 "2024-12-14T13:59:01Z")
Fair enough, that’s the side of it which I’m not going to prove. However, as I said, you can easily adjust for that and still use my account as the example. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/mr.x/32/20447_2.png) [@Mr.X](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Mr.X)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 2:10pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3738 "2024-12-14T14:10:28Z")
> [@Killerdog](#): > > No, I’d have more. My account surpassed yours in recent years. There are too many free gems available in the game (particularly with the fortune shrine) that I’ve overtaken it. I’m on 30 awakened mythics and 220 legendaries. You’re stuck with mostly older mythics while I have top ones and have all legendaries that I want at +9, which would be true if I’d played your OG account. No F2P account has around 30 mythics except you, so no one can figure out the secret formula only you Even with Cuh spending on my account i have almost the same 30 mythics and am spending extra carefully and 6 of mythics are from anniversary ---
**Author:** ![ACE\_APPLE\_JUICE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ace_apple_juice/32/61566_2.png) [@ACE\_APPLE\_JUICE](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ACE_APPLE_JUICE)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 2:30pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3739 "2024-12-14T14:30:05Z")
![IMG-20241214-WA0003](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/7/6/766847909d2ee99b8cd241f1d6e9a6744280cf22.jpeg) I am a pure f2p 🚶🏼‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 2:31pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3740 "2024-12-14T14:31:14Z")
Here’s the secret formula, quoted from the linked thread I put above: > [@So... I finally got 500 gems, what now...?](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/so-i-finally-got-500-gems-what-now/55448/17): > > Shrine average gems = 225 > We get roughly 16 a year = ~3600 gems > Gems per month from free play = 408 > Therefore free gems per year = 3600 + 408 \* 12 = ~8500 gems > > There’s also the anniversary each year which gives us an extra generous login and bigger fortune shrine, plus typically January has a special PvP season with bonus gems. That probably makes the grand total something like 9000 gems. > > Full breakdown of gems from free play (per month): > 112 from PvP [60 + (67-20) + ~5] > 25 from PvP daily gem > 11 from Biweekly [5 / 14 \* 30.5] > 17 from SCB [4 / 7 \* 30.5] > 61 from Daily missions [2 \* 30.5] > 13 from Standard login bonus [12 / 28 \* 30.5] > 6 from Cumulative login bonus [20 / 100 \* 30.5] > 44 from Featured monster login bonus [10 / 7 \* 30.5] - these seem to be regular now > 64 from Limited-time events [4 \* 16] - varies each month so a simplification here, balancion’s is 10 gems and comes regularly while others are 16-20, ST 33 and UC 55-60. > 30 from MBQ [~1.5 \* legendary MBQ] > 25 from Event achievements [SCB+biweekly+crown+moalith+limited events] ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3741 "2024-12-14T14:33:04Z")
> [@Mr.X](#): > > Even with Cuh spending on my account i have almost the same 30 mythics and am spending extra carefully and 6 of mythics are from anniversary Similarly I have 7 mythics from “half price” anniversary hatching, 4 mythics from 6 star tickets and the 1 free Chronozillion. So it’s been 18 full price mythics which I’ve obtained. Of those, 5 are standard pool that I’ve randomly picked up and 1 from using neo tickets. So I’ve targeted and obtained 12 specific mythics with gems. Those were: Carmillette, Selene, Luna, Nyx, Vixenblade, Hazuki, Momo, Fiona, Bastia, Don Rilla, Aethereon, Brynhildr ---
**Author:** ![NoelLemon2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/noellemon2/32/76166_2.png) [@NoelLemon2](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NoelLemon2)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 2:45pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3742 "2024-12-14T14:45:56Z")
You are telling me if I save from today till next anniversary I’ll have 6000+ gems? let’s test it out (I will have 120 paids gems so I can buy 4-6 pvp extra paid gems and it’s between 4 to 6 cuz I might use 10 paid gems for certain banners lul) ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 2:47pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883/3743 "2024-12-14T14:47:41Z")
In theory, yes. Track all your hatches and you’ll be able to easily see how many gems you’re getting each year (number of packs \* 40). The numbers can’t lie when you do it yourself, but do take into account how much content you’re skipping. This also means any unspent tickets you have (these should all be used in MBQ when not needed for an event). For example, I know that the one thing I skip is daily PvP gems (I get roughly half of them each month). [Previous page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883.md?page=175) [Next page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/i-just-got-slaughtered-by-one-of-the-coolest-teams-ive-come-across-care-to-share-some-of-your-pvp-stories-part-3/42883.md?page=177)