# Heartburst **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters\ **Created:** [November 20, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559 "2022-11-20T22:15:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![LemonSqueezy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/lemonsqueezy/32/17699_2.png) [@LemonSqueezy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/LemonSqueezy)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 11:38pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/22 "2022-11-20T23:38:57Z")
Goddammit what an excellent point!! (I wouldn’t want them gone completely though) ---
**Author:** ![ItsSherlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d6d6ee/32.png) [@ItsSherlock](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ItsSherlock)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 11:56pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/23 "2022-11-20T23:56:24Z")
Turn Carmilla into an AP and make heartburst raw as well as her other moves. Glad I could help ---
**Author:** ![DMG\_LUCKDRAGON](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dmg_luckdragon/32/44670_2.png) [@DMG\_LUCKDRAGON](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMG_LUCKDRAGON)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:13am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/24 "2022-11-21T00:13:02Z")
Could just make Heartbirst an unlimited ability that only works on monsters that she has hit with Charm and increase the Charm TU a bit. Gives her more viability to get to Double Bloodthirst while putting a restriction and encouraging more use of her moveset. ---
**Author:** ![ArcticTheHunter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/arcticthehunter/32/30355_2.png) [@ArcticTheHunter](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ArcticTheHunter)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 2:03am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/25 "2022-11-21T02:03:28Z")
I remember when a monster with only bloodthirst and no way to get the kill was considered game-breaking. Ah, the good old days ---
**Author:** ![NME\_BlackDragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nme_blackdragon/32/80179_2.png) [@NME\_BlackDragon](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NME_BlackDragon)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 2:06am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/26 "2022-11-21T02:06:41Z")
**buff shiny aurodragon** ---
**Author:** ![NME\_BlackDragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nme_blackdragon/32/80179_2.png) [@NME\_BlackDragon](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NME_BlackDragon)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 2:07am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/27 "2022-11-21T02:07:40Z")
My ankoudragon would love this. ---
**Author:** ![NME\_BlackDragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nme_blackdragon/32/80179_2.png) [@NME\_BlackDragon](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NME_BlackDragon)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 2:08am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/28 "2022-11-21T02:08:20Z")
Carmilla is ok, nerf don rilla ---
**Author:** ![mdeath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/mdeath/32/48329_2.png) [@mdeath](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/mdeath)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 2:26am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/29 "2022-11-21T02:26:19Z")
why people alr targeting carmilla? and then we have cynthia, which imho far more broken than her 1 use instant death w high TU \<\< unlimited critical move w low TU tranquilize, dream world and lemon’s entrance should also consider very stupid. it’s very easy to pull off without any sweat ---
**Author:** ![Herr\_Loki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/herr_loki/32/72673_2.png) [@Herr\_Loki](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Herr_Loki)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 3:12am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/30 "2022-11-21T03:12:10Z")
I can’t believe u complaining about this, I know it’s for Carmilla but remember first hearbust monster is Lucifelle and look at her moveset, I would say that is her main move and 136 TU is a lot, we have a lot of better instakills skills ---
**Author:** ![NME\_BlackDragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nme_blackdragon/32/80179_2.png) [@NME\_BlackDragon](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NME_BlackDragon)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 3:55am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/31 "2022-11-21T03:55:42Z")
dont forget people pair her with nefaridon and the x dragon mythic that has mark as well. ---
**Author:** ![GMagic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/gmagic/32/51920_2.png) [@GMagic](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/GMagic)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 3:57am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/32 "2022-11-21T03:57:57Z")
Do you see people do this? Her best move doesn’t work if you do that… ---
**Author:** ![NME\_BlackDragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/nme_blackdragon/32/80179_2.png) [@NME\_BlackDragon](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NME_BlackDragon)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 3:58am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/33 "2022-11-21T03:58:59Z")
yes ---
**Author:** ![Tanbeer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/tanbeer/32/51776_2.png) [@Tanbeer](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Tanbeer)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 4:09am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/34 "2022-11-21T04:09:45Z")
Just remove that defense and we are all good 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Pride](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/pride/32/49130_2.png) [@Pride](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Pride)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 7:14am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/35 "2022-11-21T07:14:09Z")
Don Rolla has no piercing ,massive defense buff, no DR,no bloodmove only sleep immunity and controlled sweeping,I think we can see who needs a Nerf 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DMGInterference](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dmginterference/32/50532_2.png) [@DMGInterference](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DMGInterference)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 8:05am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/36 "2022-11-21T08:05:25Z")
Using Cynthia with Exocross is kinda braindead tho. Cynthia has way better setup than a mythic that prevents her from using her strongest move ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 8:31am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/37 "2022-11-21T08:31:36Z")
> [@DMG\_LUCKDRAGON](#): > > Could just make Heartbirst an unlimited ability that only works on monsters that she has hit with Charm and increase the Charm TU a bit. Gives her more viability to get to Double Bloodthirst while putting a restriction and encouraging more use of her moveset. I really like this idea. It fits the name “heart burst” too. So in practice I’d say: - Heart burst 160TU (1 use) → 100TU (infinite use, must target a monster charmed or love bitten) - Life drain 50TU → Love bite 70TU (same move but now allows use of heart burst) - (Carmilla) remove vigor restriction from heart burst This would also balance Carmilla nicely, especially given she has dual confident strike. ---
**Author:** ![kabylian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kabylian/32/49574_2.png) [@kabylian](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/kabylian)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:14am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/38 "2022-11-21T09:14:57Z")
Nullifying strike is worst, doesn’t have any sense at all ---
**Author:** ![Herr\_Loki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/herr_loki/32/72673_2.png) [@Herr\_Loki](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Herr_Loki)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:30pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/40 "2022-11-21T12:30:54Z")
I can’t believe u talking of Don Rilla like that…for me he is op and s+++++ he doesn’t need any defense buff or piercing damage to be good ---
**Author:** ![LemonSqueezy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/lemonsqueezy/32/17699_2.png) [@LemonSqueezy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/LemonSqueezy)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:39pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/41 "2022-11-21T12:39:36Z")
Carmilla is better than Rilla though ---
**Author:** ![Herr\_Loki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/herr_loki/32/72673_2.png) [@Herr\_Loki](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Herr_Loki)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:41pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559/42 "2022-11-21T12:41:23Z")
I didn’t say the opositte,but I’m a true believer that Don Rilla is an op monster(doesn’t need nerf, I’m not asking for a nerf , just saying) [Previous page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559.md?page=1) [Next page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/heartburst/41559.md?page=3)