# Euthanasia - Big No **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters General Discussions\ **Created:** [November 29, 2024, 10:36am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135 "2024-11-29T10:36:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Professor\_Oak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/professor_oak/32/25565_2.png) [@Professor\_Oak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Professor_Oak)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 10:36am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/1 "2024-11-29T10:36:27Z")
Hi everyone, I know this topic has been discussed quite a bit already, but I wanted to streamline the conversation and focus on some specific points. The current state of Euthanasia feels overpowered—allowing a monster to simply enter the field and take out any key monster of its choice is incredibly frustrating. Initially, I thought the high TU was a fair trade-off, but reflecting on my matches, the control it hands back to the enemy outweighs the supposedly “high” TU. It just doesn’t feel balanced when considering its impact in practice. My Thoughts: I believe Euthanasia was initially designed as a counter to Bastia and stunners, especially given the timing of its release. However, after receiving a few buffs, it feels like we’re left with an “uncounterable counter to counters,” which creates serious balance issues. - Restrict Euthanasia to only target monsters with **no kills** or **humanoids**. This way, it retains its intended role without being excessively disruptive in other situations. Bastia, for instance, typically wouldn’t have scored a kill, so the ability would still function as designed without dominating matchups unfairly. What are your thoughts on this? Are there other ways to balance Euthanasia while preserving its intended utility? Looking forward to hearing your suggestions! ---
**Author:** ![Cesar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/cesar/32/76219_2.png) [@Cesar](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Cesar)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 10:43am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/2 "2024-11-29T10:43:05Z")
It is a balanced movement ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 10:55am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/3 "2024-11-29T10:55:24Z")
> [@Professor\_Oak](#): > > Initially, I thought the high TU was a fair trade-off Not at all because people are using it with Eornax next in line to immediately give the turn back. As a Nightingale enjoyer she is way too powerful because of everything you listed above. ---
**Author:** ![NoelLemon2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/noellemon2/32/76166_2.png) [@NoelLemon2](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NoelLemon2)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 11:03am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/4 "2024-11-29T11:03:08Z")
Or using her with pullback like Laire and since her entrance is unavoidable it’s an instant 2 void kills with focus. Balanaced 🥴 ---
**Author:** ![kabylian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kabylian/32/49574_2.png) [@kabylian](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/kabylian)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 11:11am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/5 "2024-11-29T11:11:20Z")
Everyone was dreaming of a 100 % condition to setup his stun entrance, giving her on anniversary made her everywhere in every team ,every endgame now had 2-3 stun entrances mixed with roaring entrances so now we will be back to stun protection every 2-3 slots , I faced her many times in my first 10 pvp games already , that euthanasia should be re- adjusted to what it was no killing unless the monster has made a kill ---
**Author:** ![LemonSqueezy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/lemonsqueezy/32/17699_2.png) [@LemonSqueezy](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/LemonSqueezy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 11:30am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/6 "2024-11-29T11:30:37Z")
As someone who has always tried to promote the need for synergy, teambuilding and combos, I think it’s always dangerous when something can come flying in and eliminate any target. I’m inclined to say it’s a bit OP ---
**Author:** ![Cesar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/cesar/32/76219_2.png) [@Cesar](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Cesar)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 11:35am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/7 "2024-11-29T11:35:13Z")
So leira must also be nerfed if we follow your logic? It’s almost the same thing ---
**Author:** ![BVN\_03](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/bvn_03/32/49605_2.png) [@BVN\_03](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/BVN_03)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 11:40am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/9 "2024-11-29T11:40:56Z")
@Dev_VKC increase emergency arrival from 150 secs to 250 or 300 secs ---
**Author:** ![NoelLemon2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/noellemon2/32/76166_2.png) [@NoelLemon2](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NoelLemon2)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 11:50am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/10 "2024-11-29T11:50:55Z")
Leira is very strong but she doesn’t have void focus instant nor roaring entrance. Her entrance can be countered too while also having overall worse kit than Nightingale. ---
**Author:** ![PurpleHeart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/purpleheart/32/68705_2.png) [@PurpleHeart](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/PurpleHeart)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/11 "2024-11-29T11:52:44Z")
Nightingale is an enabler. A nightingale alone is very weak as her only consistent thing after eutinasia is dreaded strike which is a 220 sec kill What makes her so oppressive is all the entrences she enables right behind her So obviously the right course of action is to nerf all entrence monsters 😤 ---
**Author:** ![Cesar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/cesar/32/76219_2.png) [@Cesar](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Cesar)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 12:10pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/12 "2024-11-29T12:10:28Z")
![Screenshot_20241129-125830](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/a/9/a90bbbef2f4f7bc514e87d9f72f2cc079cd68e8f.jpeg) ![Screenshot_20241129-125811](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/8/1/81ba927eef17d58b0c286f5b203fee30b593ce95.jpeg) Torazu was 6tu away from getting his turn before leira and after her he was 2tu away. So you need to have a monster less than 4tu away from his turn to be able to manage leira and yet it is the fact that this monster is capable of one-shotting the latter. Basically she has a roaring entrance. Yes she can be stopped by Bastia but in 100 players probably 5 use it for that while being consistent. Even without nightingale the poison end was still a meta strategy despite the existence of Bastia so meh. Yes nightingale kills with void effect. But leira leaves something that can introduce other combos (carmillete/cent/true hit). In addition it adds three soldiers that can be decisive in the fights are tight. So personally yes nightingale is too strong and well leira too it’s almost the same thing ---
**Author:** ![Littledragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/littledragon/32/66746_2.png) [@Littledragon](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Littledragon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 12:16pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/15 "2024-11-29T12:16:27Z")
Euthanasia is too exaggerated. He cannot be restrained. Even the hotel and peace fields cannot stop him ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_Oak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/professor_oak/32/25565_2.png) [@Professor\_Oak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Professor_Oak)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 12:17pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/16 "2024-11-29T12:17:34Z")
Oh yea this is crazy as hell ---
**Author:** ![NTT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ntt/32/77476_2.png) [@NTT](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NTT)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 12:36pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/17 "2024-11-29T12:36:28Z")
Or why not give the nightingale the power of Bastia, maybe 100 tu and can solve many abuses ---
**Author:** ![Cesar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/cesar/32/76219_2.png) [@Cesar](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Cesar)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 12:44pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/18 "2024-11-29T12:44:18Z")
A Bastia that can kill? Are we there yet? ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 1:02pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/19 "2024-11-29T13:02:10Z")
Noone uses Bastia anymore since you can always slap Nightingale before your chain of entrances. ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_Oak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/professor_oak/32/25565_2.png) [@Professor\_Oak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Professor_Oak)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 1:14pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/20 "2024-11-29T13:14:33Z")
That’s the problem with nightingale I’d wager . When a counter monster removes a target monster out of the meta , it should also vanish out of meta . And the cycle should repeat but now it doesn’t matter cos in the current state nightingale will always remain OP regardless of what it originally tried to counter . This might be another classic example of overbuffing ! ---
**Author:** ![INA-Archer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ina-archer/32/37741_2.png) [@INA-Archer](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/INA-Archer)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 1:58pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/21 "2024-11-29T13:58:43Z")
Option 1. Euthanasia= Kill 1 + give temporary stun imune to all enemy (Until she get a turn). No interaction with her and stun anymore. Option 2. Her entrance can be blocked by other field passive. So she Will have similiar kit like Leira. Option 3. Just left her. But personally As long as we don’t have roaring guardian demise or other roaring monsters that specifically counter Fast sweepers. I still need Euthanasia to counter the tanky monster/fast sweeper monster behind Ap or the one supported by Bastia. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/mr.x/32/20447_2.png) [@Mr.X](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Mr.X)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 2:11pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/22 "2024-11-29T14:11:10Z")
If you see her assume there is a stunner behind her so killing two monsters will trigger the stun and if you have a stun counter on the field it will get a turn before her and kill her. Secondly she is a support monster her main task is to take out a single target and help setup the entrance, if this factor is ruined then this mythic is useless. ---
**Author:** ![NoelLemon2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/noellemon2/32/76166_2.png) [@NoelLemon2](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/NoelLemon2)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 2:14pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135/23 "2024-11-29T14:14:35Z")
> [@Mr.X](#): > > if this factor is ruined then this mythic is useless Then she should be useless 🤷‍♀️ there should be no free wins simply for running her [Next page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/euthanasia-big-no/56135.md?page=2)