# Bloom **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters General Discussions\ **Created:** [August 27, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853 "2019-08-27T18:30:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![xWarlordx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/xwarlordx/32/8034_2.png) [@xWarlordx](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/xWarlordx)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:41am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/21 "2019-08-28T03:41:38Z")
The only reason i wanted Angel to be nerfed was because of OoO lineups, when they changed the way sleep immune works. Its helped bring his dominance down a bit. He is still in my eyes the strongest monster in this game with what he brings to the table. ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_Oak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/professor_oak/32/25565_2.png) [@Professor\_Oak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Professor_Oak)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:45am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/22 "2019-08-28T03:45:06Z")
Bloom is fine… If it’s anything , maggatsuoh and daunt must be nerfed ! ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_Oak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/professor_oak/32/25565_2.png) [@Professor\_Oak](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Professor_Oak)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:46am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/23 "2019-08-28T03:46:44Z")
It was delugazar + ap few months back and now bloom + ap this season… Some of u must understand it’s not the sweeper that’s the problem … 😒 ---
**Author:** ![Zardecil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/zardecil/32/7546_2.png) [@Zardecil](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Zardecil)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 5:38am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/24 "2019-08-28T05:38:21Z")
Daunt only busted part of that combo. ---
**Author:** ![Boiler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/boiler/32/19099_2.png) [@Boiler](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Boiler)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 5:49am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/25 "2019-08-28T05:49:42Z")
Wait wait wait wait. Are you implying that AP is the problem? GASP ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 6:33am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/26 "2019-08-28T06:33:51Z")
@Moking Sorry but it’s a bit rich to say Bloom needs to be nerfed when you use one of the most broken FL’s with maggot and snake girl. Honestly, what the heck? Bloom is only S tier not even S+. And again another irrational post due to the current special rules. This is getting out of hand. Even though Maggot and Daunt is broken I held back from asking for a Nerf because it’s a great challenge to figure out to overcome. I haven’t won a single battle against your OP FL but I don’t want it to change or be nerfed. Are u upset that bloom doesn’t instantly get killed because of camo with maggotoids OP move? Is it not enough that your FL completely wrecks Blooms shield when you activate Snake ladies toxic revenge? Please. Give me a break. Bloom is performing as S+ with these special rules. That’s it. Deal with it people. ---
**Author:** ![ILAGaLOT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/ilagalot/32/19929_2.png) [@ILAGaLOT](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/ILAGaLOT)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:24am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/27 "2019-08-28T07:24:57Z")
Exactly if you want to deal changing meta, got to use the power of the credit card ---
**Author:** ![Moking](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/moking/32/7553_2.png) [@Moking](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Moking)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:56am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/28 "2019-08-28T07:56:52Z")
There re some simple ways To avoid Vampvipers daunt 😅😁 u will find them for sure 😏 ---
**Author:** ![DonT89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@DonT89](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/DonT89)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:57am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/29 "2019-08-28T07:57:25Z")
In this specific case yes ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 8:04am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/30 "2019-08-28T08:04:27Z")
You talking about stealth? I’m not gonna change my whole FL to counter 1 or 2 teams. It’s about beating it and still maintaining the integrity of my team. It’s not the only team I face😏 Also there are some simple ways to deal with Bloom. I’m sure you will find it 😅😉 ---
**Author:** ![Unown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/unown/32/82733_2.png) [@Unown](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Unown)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 8:15am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/31 "2019-08-28T08:15:02Z")
Bloom is S+ tier tho ---
**Author:** ![Moking](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/moking/32/7553_2.png) [@Moking](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Moking)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 8:52am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/32 "2019-08-28T08:52:29Z")
Stun and stealth re the Main counters, poison immunity is an indirect counter… Yeah well dont u play ap + Bloom stuff ?😃😃 ---
**Author:** ![Saitama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/saitama/32/11636_2.png) [@Saitama](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Saitama)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:23am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/33 "2019-08-28T10:23:39Z")
Stun and stealth are both counters to Bloom as well. . . Ermm yeah I said like a million times I’m using Bloom with AP spam for this Special Rule PvP… Difference is I’m not complaining about other line ups even though they are stronger. . . ---
**Author:** ![Moking](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/moking/32/7553_2.png) [@Moking](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Moking)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:40am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/34 "2019-08-28T10:40:26Z")
I wasnt sure what u play in Detail, nothing against ap Spam😅 ---
**Author:** ![eNjiin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/enjiin/32/17791_2.png) [@eNjiin](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/eNjiin)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/35 "2019-08-28T15:28:16Z")
Do not touch my lovely secret mythic angelion 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/mr.x/32/20447_2.png) [@Mr.X](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Mr.X)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/36 "2019-08-28T15:49:09Z")
I still think angelion should have his defense lowered. ---
**Author:** ![Phantom00](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/phantom00/32/34461_2.png) [@Phantom00](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Phantom00)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853/37 "2019-08-28T16:13:53Z")
If there must be another Angel nerf, then a decrease to its sweeping capabilities would suffice. I’ve never been one for nerfs, but I think that’s one way to go. [Previous page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/bloom/20853.md?page=1)