# A.S. Livyatan (poll and discussion) **URL:** \ **Category:** Neo Monsters General Discussions\ **Created:** [July 16, 2026, 9:33am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203 "2026-07-16T09:33:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kirisune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kirisune/32/76098_2.png) [@Kirisune](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Kirisune)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2026, 4:00pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/22 "2026-07-25T16:00:06Z")
If you backstab him, you get a team turn with other AS. Retri FL kinda works again thanks to him ---
**Author:** ![Kirisune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kirisune/32/76098_2.png) [@Kirisune](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Kirisune)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2026, 10:16pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/23 "2026-07-25T22:16:26Z")
Did a little bit of testing in PvP test matches. Beeg stonks. > **[AS are now stronk](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m2Wsko075KOvz-4YE7HngiGRDhSgHGQE/view?usp=drivesdk)** > > Google Drive file. ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2026, 11:19am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/24 "2026-07-26T11:19:46Z")
> [@Exu](#): > > I have to say again, the visual design of this monster is top notch. The storm version looks incredible!! 10/10 đź‘Ś 100%! It looks brilliant ---
**Author:** ![Kirisune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kirisune/32/76098_2.png) [@Kirisune](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Kirisune)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2026, 7:43pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/25 "2026-07-26T19:43:47Z")
@Killerdog Here if you’re curious about the aoe damage of it. Lets just say only particularly bulky stuff will survive its aoe if all other allies are AS. I even managed to make a Nightingale enter too soon because of it. ---
**Author:** ![Killerdog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/killerdog/32/19206_2.png) [@Killerdog](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Killerdog)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2026, 8:03pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/26 "2026-07-26T20:03:30Z")
Thanks, I assumed it didn’t quite one-shot then after writing the tier list post read someone saying it does and realised I haven’t actually seen/tested it properly but with the attack boosts from AS teammates AND the damage scaling with number of elements it likely will one-shot. That’s pretty scary at 77% speed! ---
**Author:** ![GOW\_YM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/gow_ym/32/78900_2.png) [@GOW\_YM](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/GOW_YM)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2026, 8:42pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/27 "2026-07-26T20:42:02Z")
I don’t want to face rivals who use this guy, really I only have 2 nullifiers on my team and neither could face a team that uses a protector on the front line and gets a turn if I kill that protector ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2026, 8:55pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/28 "2026-07-26T20:55:47Z")
![IMG_0067](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/e/b/eb640e4a33756138451548aed9fa25f33f702b4d.jpeg) ![IMG_0072](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/8/d/8d220cefd02275d6429faee6bf41a37a0c17bf47.jpeg) ![IMG_0071](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/7/8/78f85bffd083937bd86790af99a781bb1109b97a.jpeg) ![IMG_0070](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/3/1/318d6f4668eedcacb94d00e31fa11ccb3b9d3b51.jpeg) ![IMG_0069](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/3/9/390728c908ed558091e7fcb8754c8218f66f3759.jpeg) ![IMG_0068](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/neomonstersforum/original/3X/d/c/dc82eaf301b583a01457e12c3b570e9ae4af1900.jpeg) We are about to get Void RAW Shieldbreaker 80% speed waifu in 3 weeks. ---
**Author:** ![PrimeOdessey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/primeodessey/32/82322_2.png) [@PrimeOdessey](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/PrimeOdessey)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2026, 1:40am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/29 "2026-07-27T01:40:25Z")
So AS team is quite back on the line again? ---
**Author:** ![GOW\_YM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/gow_ym/32/78900_2.png) [@GOW\_YM](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/GOW_YM)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2026, 1:04pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/31 "2026-07-27T13:04:43Z")
just wait for the special rule to end. ---
**Author:** ![dara\_koh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/dara_koh/32/19111_2.png) [@dara\_koh](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/dara_koh)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 6:40am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/32 "2026-08-13T06:40:34Z")
what actually are we suppose to do against this fl? if i kill the liv, all gets a turn if i kill poseidon or another then he gets a turn and can chain kill with bloodfeast ---
**Author:** ![PrimeOdessey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/primeodessey/32/82322_2.png) [@PrimeOdessey](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/PrimeOdessey)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 2:35pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/33 "2026-08-13T14:35:18Z")
Its actually easy if you have piercing or revenge negation like revenge breaker . ---
**Author:** ![Silverspring](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/silverspring/32/76566_2.png) [@Silverspring](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Silverspring)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 2:53pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/34 "2026-08-13T14:53:02Z")
I use the C.W.s, and for me, they are the easiest to counter; just taking out Levyatan throws the whole FL out of sync. I use the Fire C.W. for Fast Break or Shield Break, and if you don’t have those, you can easily use other skills or monsters like Skyerra or Rodekcnight specifically those with piercing + Revenge Seal. ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2026, 7:26pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/35 "2026-08-14T19:26:05Z")
Why is no one saying how idiotic this ultra-high AoE damage on this one is. ---
**Author:** ![AoYuze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/aoyuze/32/64656_2.png) [@AoYuze](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/AoYuze)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2026, 11:24am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/36 "2026-08-15T11:24:53Z")
Cuz it can just be pierced, get death revenged, and whole fl gets traumatized when it’s ded, btw when’s ur tier list updating, I have waiting for a review on love since a while ---
**Author:** ![Coltraz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/coltraz/32/62996_2.png) [@Coltraz](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Coltraz)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2026, 12:41pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/37 "2026-08-15T12:41:53Z")
Everything can be pierced. It has a permanent shield, so Death Revenge does not work on it. This is another Kaiser situation where matches were done in 150TU if you successfully give turn to it twice. ---
**Author:** ![GOW\_YM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/gow_ym/32/78900_2.png) [@GOW\_YM](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/GOW_YM)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2026, 1:32pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/38 "2026-08-15T13:32:11Z")
The development team loves to create broken things and then have to balance them, the heart dragon had been tested for more than a year and they still have to rebalance it ---
**Author:** ![Silverspring](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/silverspring/32/76566_2.png) [@Silverspring](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Silverspring)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2026, 10:28pm UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/39 "2026-08-17T22:28:52Z")
It’s strange, because I don’t quite grasp how “vengeance” skills work like those of Dragulus and Y Draigoch, which are supposed to kill the opponent upon the user’s defeat. Yet, when you look at the skill descriptions, Dragulus’s skill has “Pierce,” while Y Draigoch’s targets the specific enemy that dealt the killing blow. Furthermore, the “Hold Ground” skill states it doesn’t work against instant death effects; however, these skills except for Dragulus’s can actually be negated by both “Shield” and “Hold Ground.” This implies they function as “death-triggered vengeance” skills, whereas true vengeance skills shouldn’t need “Pierce” or be blockable they ought to guarantee a kill on the opposing monster 100% of the time.and not require external aids such as Piercing to Kill. ---
**Author:** ![Kirisune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/www.neomonstersforum.com/kirisune/32/76098_2.png) [@Kirisune](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/u/Kirisune)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2026, 9:54am UTC](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203/40 "2026-08-20T09:54:19Z")
The first person to figure out how to use Persephia alongside this unit will win a lot of games. (even 2nd form persephia is brutal) [Previous page](https://www.neomonstersforum.com/t/a-s-livyatan-poll-and-discussion/65203.md?page=1)